Tyson Furys dispatching of Hammer and Derrick

First off, I never said Stiverne was on the same level as Wlad because of Austin you just assumed that, I merely said he beat Austin nothing more. And you are exaggerating how much he struggled with him anyway.

Michael Grant had been ruined since Lennox Lewis, and only lost because he broke his ankle. Shufford, Boswell, and Whitaker were class C fighters at best. Can't believe you'd even mention them. If Shufford hadn't played George Foreman in the Ali movie nobody would know who he was.

McCline sucked, period. Sconiers shouldn't have beaten any version of him.

 

Why? Because he said what you wanted to hear?

I guess you missed the other thread where his best argument for George Foreman's pre Frazier resume was so much better than Wilder's was Chuck Wepner.

 

That's the best you could come up with in several hours? Talk about clutching at straws.

If those guys are C-level, than all of Wilders best wins are D-level!

McCline was clearly a capable HW contender in his day, he beat good fighters whether you like it or not. Wlad completely schooled him while he was a this peak, and he beat other skilled big men. I'll repeat myself again. It's Fury who lacks experience against big, tall heavyweights who are even remotely good. He should have fought Ustinov. The question should be how Fury will cope with Wlads size and skill, not the other way around.... As many have said Wlad tends to perform better against taller and bigger heavyweights.

 

Because it's the truth. You got schooled. :deal

 

No, because most of your responses were irrelevant to what I was talking about anyway. All I said was Ray Austin got beat by Stiverne nothing more, I never said it put him on the same level as Klitschko. Not once did I say that.

Think about what you are saying, if I didn't watch boxing matches, I probably wouldn't be here.

I honestly am not high on the 2000's as a decade for boxers at all. Most of them sucked. An overweight Shannon Briggs was competitive in that era. Even old Man Holyfield over a decade past his prime was competitive. I mean Briggs against Ibragimov was really the clincher for me. He was so overweight he could barely stand up. One of the worst eras I ever saw by far.

I have hope guys like Fury, wilder, and Joshua can bring excitement back to the division, and there is nothing to indicate they can't.

I don't know why you think Wlad is invincible. any argument for fighters he beat in the 2000's I am scornful of and urinate on. Weakest decade for boxing ever, although the 80's was pretty bad too.

 

Yeah and failed to acknowledge that it was far inferior version of Ray Austin,who still gave Stiverne a lesson in boxing for the majority of the fight!

That's all besides the point. You refuse to acknowledge that Wlad has had great success against fighters his size and bigger. Whether you think they were any good or not is irrelevant as they were all highly rated contenders. There's nothing to suggest that Fury's combination of size and skill will be enough to seriously trouble, nevermind dethrone Wlad....

You don't know why I think Wlad is invincible? Uhhh.... I don't. I think he's great, but he can obviously be beaten... but it takes a certain style to trouble him. And Fury doesn't have it. His only chance here is Wlad growing old overnight and falling off completely. I don't see that happening. He still has enough left in the tank to beat pretty much anyone in the division.

 

Enjoy your last 9 days with Fury, before you drop him like a hot potato Saturday night... and present us the neeeeeew hero of the trolls thumbsup:good

 

Tyson fury: I'm gonna make this fight look easy !!!!!:bbb





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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=H7ixC9dcLr8

 

Who did Clay best before he faced Liston?

Sometimes there are wuestion marks over fighters because of the lack of quality fighters on their record but then when they go in with a quality opponent you can see why they had such an easy time with fighters other people struggled with. Tyson beat everyone relatively easy.

Look at Wlads sparring partners and own brother. Scott, Helenius and Vitali all struggled with Chisora. Even Haye had problems with him before the knockout. Tyson toyed with him looking for rounds. I was in the arena and Tyson could have stopped him in the first.

They may not be world beaters that Tysons beaten but he can only fight those who are willing to sign and or get in the ring with him.

You will be surprised at how comfortably he beats Wlad.

 

Fury's not going to beat Wlad. Oh, he may make it competitive and be tougher than most people think, but Wlad's fundamentals and punching power are too good. When Wlad lands the first big one, Fury is going to take a seat.

 

Wlad landed flush on Jennings loads and still had to go to a laboured decision.

Hes like Vitali with Chisora, doesnt like any kind of pressure. The difference is Tyson has the size to make it count.