I'm not saying that "Tyson Fury's era to forget" is only Fury's fault. Wilder's 9 names in 10 consecutive successful title defenses is not Fury's fault but is still part of "Tyson Fury's era to forget"; for example.
My point was that Fury wasn't even there. It never could have been his era when he walked away from the sport. Instead others tried to fill that void.
They never succeeded Only in 2018 did Ring magazine rank AJ ahead of Fury. 2015, 2016, 2017 Fury was the "champion", and AJ was tenth, fifth, first. Only in 2018 AJ is first, and Fury is second; already in 2019 the situation turned around. I guess AJ had at least a theoretical chance to fix this era. In a spectacular fight he knocked out Wlad, unlike Fury who outscored Wlad in a boring fight. But AJ "blown the point" against Andy Ruiz and imho - he never really came back. AJ also fit into the gray "Tyson Fury's era to forget".
Like I said: "other tried to fill in that void". It simply never was the Fury era, because he walked away from the sport. And when he did return, he ended up getting tangled up with Wilder for 3 years. By the time that wrapped up, Usyk had made his splash in the division. Fury never had what Wlad had, or Lewis did. He gave away that opportunity.
You and I agree on the substance, but we disagree on the details. So Fury, AJ and Wilder are not worthy successors in the "post-Klitschko era"; OK?
It's mad to me people still believe this. Fury clearly ducked Joshua, it's right there to see. He offered Joshua a fight (after he'd lost to Usyk twice) then kept putting on meaningless deadlines to the negotiation. Watch that Fury netflix show, there's a scene in the middle of the negotiations where a member of Fury's team calls him and says to just stop putting out deadlines (or any social media) because AJ's team are cooperating but they need time to hash out a deal, but Fury goes online and gives him like an hour or something, then when the hour is up Fury starts literally jumping up and down with joy because he doesn't have to fight AJ.
They are, but we never had a singular champion stand out. It should have obviously been Fury, be he walked away. And when he did return, he got tied up with Wilder. Fury beat Wlad in late 2015, right? Well, he ended his trilogy with Wilder in late 2021 - so in roughly 6 years the only top heavyweight he faced, was Wilder. No one achieved what Wlad did, and that was being a clear nr 1 heavyweight ruling over the division. Would have have been Fury, but he walked away when it mattered the most.
Fury doesn't deserve an era named after himself. A hamburger possibly, or a candy bar, but not a boxing era. His defenses against the Seferi, Pianata etc of the world were laughable, meanwhile he was blatantly ducking Joshua in what could have been his best payday.
It could have been Fury's era, quite a short era tbf, but he didn't fight Joshua while he was undefeated. The big three were Fury, Wilder and Joshua. A robbery in the first Wilder fight and a trilogy with ridiculous rematch clauses got in the way. Joshua did try to muscle in after the 2nd Wilder fight but it never happened. As we all know Usyk turned up and upset Fury's apple cart and that's the end of that.
Fury and Joshua won their first world titles Nov 2015 and Apr 2016 So within 6 months of each other Come the end of 2018 Fury made 0 defences and was 1-0-1 in world title fights Joshua made 6 defences won 2 unification bouts was 7-0-0 in world title fights Even now in title defences Fury - Wilder, Whyte, Chisora Joshua - Wladimir, Parker, Povetkin, Pulev, Breazeale, Takam, Molina It is all subjective but isn't wrong to look at all sides
https://boxrec.com/wiki/index.php/The_Ring_Magazine's_Annual_Ratings:_2015 2015: Tyson Fury, Champion 10. Anthony Joshua https://boxrec.com/wiki/index.php/The_Ring_Magazine's_Annual_Ratings:_2016 2016: Tyson Fury, Champion 5. Anthony Joshua https://boxrec.com/wiki/index.php/The_Ring_Magazine's_Annual_Ratings:_2017 2017: Tyson Fury, Champion 1. Anthony Joshua https://boxrec.com/wiki/index.php/The_Ring_Magazine's_Annual_Ratings:_2018 2018: 1. Anthony Joshua 2. Tyson Fury https://boxrec.com/wiki/index.php/The_Ring_Magazine's_Annual_Ratings:_2019 2019: 1. Tyson Fury 3. Anthony Joshua https://boxrec.com/wiki/index.php/The_Ring_Magazine's_Annual_Ratings:_2020 Tyson Fury, Champion 1. Anthony Joshua ... It's only 2018 and AJ is not seen as a champion, but as the top seed.
The part you left out though is that when Fury and Wilder were stinking it up, Joshua was beating Whyte, Parker, Klitschko, Povetkin, Ruiz (1-1), Martin, Helenius, Wallin, Ngannou, Pulev and Brezeale. He saved heavyweight boxing twice from Fury's messes, stepping in to be a credible champ when Fury disappeared, and crushing Ngannou. This is why a lot of us stick by AJ. Whatever his faults, at least he was trying to make it a great era.
I agree. AJ did his best to make the era great. His personal problem is that he underestimated Andy Ruiz, and imho after that defeat he is no longer the same AJ. They blame him (I don't know if they rightly blame AJ or not) for not fighting Fury and Wilder. AJ tried, but in the end he fit into what is called the Fury era.
I honestly don't see how you blame him. Wilder admitted that he turned down huge amounts of money to fight Fury instead. Wilder fans say that there was another time when it was AJs fault...maybe, maybe not. The benefit of the doubt goes to me to the camp that fought everyone else they could get their hands on. The idea that AJ didn't want Fury is just bizzare to me. Fury disappeared, came back, fought Wilder, fought some bums, fought Wilder again, sued to get out of a third Wilder fight, lost he lawsuit, beat Wilder, retired, "came back" to fight Whyte, fought Chisora again, fought Ngannou and humiliated himself, then lost to Usyk twice, retired, unretired, and here we are today with him "coming back" and calling out Uysk for a fight he doesn't deserve. Where in that mess did AJ have a chance to fight him? I am not saying that AJ is completely blameless...these things are complicated...but it seems to me 80-20 the other guys faults.