Tyson Furys first 5 comeback fights/Wilders first 5 title defences In Furys first 5 (including the Wallin fight this weekend) comeback fights, he has fought 3 big undefeated HWs. I have read alot of comparisons with Fury and Wilder and how various posters are not interested in his upcoming fight against another big undefeated HW, but consider Fury hasnt even had as many fights as Wilder had had before Wilder won a world title. I thought I would compare Furys first 5 comeback fights to Wilders first 5 defences and I cant see why people are complaining when Fury is not holding a belt. So below like for like Tell me how different Furys comeback has been to Wilders defences time for time like for like Tell me how different Fury facing seferi was to Wilder facing Molina? Both former CW's Seferi was 23 - 1 with 21kos Molina was 23 - 2 with 17kos Very little difference in it He then fought Pianetta who had beaten Duhaupas (Wilders next defence) Then Fury faced Wilder whereas wilder at that time was facing Szpilka who recently lost to a fighter Fury has twice beaten Fury then faces undefeated Schwarz whilst Wilder was facing A Arreola with 2 wins in his previous 6 fights Next Fury is facing undefeated 20-0 Wallin whilst Wilder was facing undefeated 18-0-1 Washington Really doesnt seem that much different at this stage. Wilder has taken his time and it has worked for him It seems almost forgotten that Fury had also beaten Chisora twice, W Klitschko, Cunningham and Hammer Discuss
Furys not a champion and has no title defenses. Wilder is a champion and has one of the worst resumes as champion. He should actually be on Furys resume with an L. After the fight it is my opinion Wallin will be considered better then Ortiz considering hes facing a much better in shape fury then Wilder did at this point and Wallin would be wilders best win if the fight is remotely close lol
Interesting. Fair point perhaps. Though I must add, when you have to compare Furys run with a fighter that is constantly and universally shitted on for having a historically atrocious resume and title run, it doesn't really mean a whole lot. So Furys comeback isnt worse than the a specific length of resume of the guy everyone hates on for not fighting anyone. Ok.
It wasnt really for direct comparisons but asking how it can be as bad as I get the impression some posters would make out. Remember Fury is not holding a belt for others to contest and has fought Wilder (I know Wilder cant fight himself but there was other HWs around) which arguably makes it the bigger fight out of the fights mentioned
Thats exactly the point, Fury is not holding a title With Wallin I think you may well be right. There are several HWs that I would favour against Ortiz but that is only my opinion and not worth a great deal
Idk... to me it cant be both ways in terms of people trying to prop up Tyson as supposedly the number one fighter on the planet and the lineal champion, and then say it doesnt matter who he fights because he doesn't have a title. Obviously Im conflating here a bit, but when people see whats considered to be a top 3 heavyweight fight the lineup that Fury has, I think its pretty natural to criticize him for it, regardless of him holding a belt or not. So again, that its not as bad as one of the worst possible available examples, doesnt redeem it all that much, imo. I do hear you on him not having much of an obligation to fight certain level opponents because he doesn't have a title, but thats really only addressing his lack of obligations, it doesnt make the run any better or acceptable, imo. Hes still a top tier fighter whose trying to stake a claim as a top heavy and position himself for title shots. So even given that context I still think its an atrocious run.
3 big undefeated HWs Ok, forget the first example and look at Joshuas fights which I think are impressive and its Breazeale, Molina, W Klitschko, Takam and Parker. Molina is not much different to Seferi, Breazeale I am not sure is any greater than Wallin or Schwarz, Klitschko was coming off a loss and could be argued to the Wilder fight, Takam, I dont think know if it is any greater than Wallin or Schwarz. I could well be wrong with that and it is open for debate but...
You lost me immediately. The Fury-Seferi fight was essentially an exhibition on an undercard of another fight. Fury and Seferi laughed and hugged and kissed at the weigh in. They kissed and smiled during instructions. Fury landed a couple hard shots. Seferi (nearly 40 who threw a couple arm punches) quit in his corner after four rounds - because it was basically an exhibition - and then they hugged and laughed and everyone went home. On the other hand, Molina (an actual 6'4" 240-pound heavyweight) came to win the WBC Heavyweight title. His fight with Wilder was a slugfest. Wilder got rocked and Wilder pummeled and bashed Molina to the canvas three times. There was no making out. They didn't treat it as a joke. And Molina knocked out Adamek in his next fight and got a second heavyweight title shot after that. Seferi wasn't even a heavyweight. He participated in a glorified sparring session. He put in his four rounds and that was that. Please don't insult our intelligence. The two situations and opponents couldn't be more different.
Wilder's weak defenses were when he was still learning how to fight. He stepped up over the last two years with exception to a mandatory against Stiverne. Fury has toiled away on the bum circuit except when choosing to fight for a belt. He still hasn't fought a single top ten contender despite having won the championship in 2015.
Oh dear What difference does it make if a fight is on an undercard? Fury showboats at times when he fights. He did it against Wilder also I see you really have got lost on this thread. Nothing to say Wilder fighting Seferi may not have gone the same way. Remmber that Molina did little more than Seferi against Joshua and was beaten in 3 rounds So beating a faded former LHW is your answer? Lol at you. Neither was Molina for some of his bouts Indeed they are different but not as far removed as you would like to make out Both former CW's Seferi was 23 - 1 with 21kos Molina was 23 - 2 with 17kos Seferi though had never been stopped Seferi had been the distance in a HW title fight only losing on points
Yet Wilder had had more fights then, than Fury has had now, which makes me think what Fury has done is far from bad at all Wilder could have been seen as a top contender as even though he was holding the WBC title, Joshua at that time was considered by the majority to be the man then with WBA, IBF, WBO HW titles Also Fury travelled to take those title chances
Including Furys upcoming fight The overall record of his 5 comeback opponents is 138 - 5 - 1 with 111 KOs The combined record of Wilders opponents for his first 5 defences 129 - 9 - 2 with 95 KOs I dont see why people dont think Fury is doing well since his comeback
I think it's alright personally, never really judged it too harshly, especially sifne Fury hasn't been match fit for years. Let him sharpen up, get some rounds in and then come back to do his thing. Can't be fighting a danger man every fight you have unless you seek brain damage.
They are arguably more removed than I made them out to be. Exhibitions with 40 year old cruiserweights who quit after putting in their four rounds ... and world heavyweight title fights were two guys beat the crap out of each other because they want a world title are as far removed as you can get. Seferi spent more time kissing Tyson Fury on the lips prefight than he did hitting him during the their "exhibition" and then quit after four rounds and laughed and smiled again. Neither guy treated this as anything but a joke. It was a workout, and the fighters treated it as such. And Sefer Seferi had never fought in a world heavyweight title fight before. Molina fought Wilder and Joshua for the WBC and IBF world heavyweight titles, respectively. Seferi was a cruiserweight before he fought Fury and he's been a cruiserweight since then. In a rare appearance at heavyweight, Seferi once lost a bout for a vacant WBA International belt. Are you arguing that Michael Hunter-Fabio Maldonodo was a WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE FIGHT, too (as it was for the same belt Seferi fought for)? Because NOBODY INVOLVED (Hunter and Maldonodo) in that believe that either. This content is protected You trying to argue that the Fury-Seferi and Wilder-Molina were the same is like arguing the De La Hoya-Mario Lopez exhibtion was the same as Gatti-Ward I because Oscar had once fought and defeated Gatti. They weren't remotely the same at all in the least. And you know that. If you don't, I'm embarrassed for you.
