Tyson Furys first 5 comeback fights/Wilders first 5 title defences

What is the point if this thread? To show that both Wilder and Fury are overrated garbage?

 

You aren't recognizing why people are complaining.

They're complaining because Fury won the heavyweight title from Wlad, got busted for taking PEDs in the Wlad fight, decided not to reapply for his boxing license or contest the drug test results so a two-year ban wouldn't go on his record (so if he got busted again he wouldn't get an eight-year ban like Whyte is facing for a second offense), and then came back fighting guys like 40-year-old cruiserweight Sefer Seferi (who you're trying to prop up) ... and after a year in the gym and a couple of tuneups he got the stones to fight Wilder ... then backed out of the rematch to fight lesser people again.

I like Tyson Fury.

But you don't go from fighting Wlad and winning, to fighting a 40-year-old cruiserweight you keep locking lips with who you could beat in your pro debut.

You can't compare his career with Wilder on a fight to fight basis. Their careers are nothing alike.

Wilder took up boxing late, came up thru the club circuit with no fanfare, and has been on a steady rise. He's consistent. When Wilder starts to lose a couple fights, his career will basically be over. He's on a slow rise up, and then he'll come down, and then it'll be over.

Fury was getting prime time TV coverage since his early days, is wildly inconsistent, has already failed a PED test, squirmed his way out of a ban with his "depression" claims, and he'll likely win and lose and win and lose heavyweight titles until he's in his mid 40s. He'll probably be the Bernard Hopkins of the heavyweights. He's got nothing else to do but fight. That's his family background. Fury's kids will probably be contenders when he's still in there slapping people around.

So doing side-by-side, fight-by-fight comparisons is pointless.

Fury beat Wlad. They want Fury to keep fighting at that higher level. They don't want him fighting Euro-level guys at this point and having the big talk around his fights being whether ESPN will get him to sing an Aerosmith song again, so they can beat that like a dead horse.

They know he's a top fighter. They complain because he's wasting their time and his prime years.

 

I know the wording you used, that's why I specifically called you out on it.

I said Molina had fought both Wilder and Joshua for their world heavyweight titles.

And you said Seferi had fought for a heavyweight title before, too, trying to show how Seferi and Molina were the same. But it clearly wasn't the same.

It was weak on your part.

 

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However, they are undefeated because their level of competition is very low, mostly fighters, who are not even in top 100.
If they fought top 10 or top 20 fighters and remained undefeated it would totally different.

The first time Fury fought a prime top 10 fighter he was nearly KOed. Survived by some miracle.

Fury is highly overrated, because of shameless self promotion and because he defeated old Klitschko.

 

Boxing doesn't give out short cut awards for people starting late in boxing. Its not a criteria used in the real world.

A fighter is his own man and accomplishes things at his decisions.

why can't you use wilder /Fury comparisons ? i'll tell you why ,you don't like what you see.

why is it always Wilder has some weird angle that suits him ?

If were comparing the fighters they fought Fury stomps him bc we know he DEFEATED Wilder himself.


Furys next opponent will take him 12 I bet,and then what ?

1. Fury is overatted ( did you see the wilder fight )

2. Wallin must be pretty damn good .

3.Fury loses ,wow...wilder must really be terrible he got out performed by a bum right?

Pick one, but remember we KNOW Fury is in much better mind/shape for this one so pick carefully. lol


Wilder is a champion hes supposed to have a better resume how do you not understand this ,and that fury since hes come back had 3 fights including Wilder so what planet does anyone think he is avoiding anyone ? Hes not even allowed to fight wilder now bc Wilder is contracted and ORDERED by Haymon to fight Ortiz in November who Haymon promised the fight for the sneaky move to decline AJ.

 

Fury's comeback is the biggest joke in recent boxing history. A string of bus drivers and no hopers. To add insult to injury Fury keeps on attacking other fighters for "only fighting bums".

 

Furys annoying as anyone ive seen but he has wilder on his resume so no,what you said isn't true and has a wilder fight in Feb.if both win ,don't be shocked if one or both take an L. lol

I actually think Wallin has ALMOST the same chance upsetting Fury as 49 yr old Ortiz does to Wilder ,which I place both 25% chance of happening.

 

It doesn't matter about their overall resumes, what matters is who have they been fighting since they fought against each other.

Say what you will about either Wilder or Fury but both men are at the top of the HW division and those 2 guys have taken vastly different routes since they fought each other.

Fury hasn't received enough criticism for his lack of competition since facing Wilder. If you switched their opposition since they fought, I can only imagine the amount of criticism Deontay would receive for fighting Schwarz and Wallin and how much positive feedback would be given to Fury if he fought Dominic and Ortiz.

It's a shame Fury is fighting such low level and unnecessary opposition since fighting Deontay. By all accounts it looked like they were going to have their rematch immediately until Fury signed with ESPN and they essentially put a 1 year barricade at the very least for the rematch to take place. It's terrible for HW boxing to be in this position. At least Deontay is fighting credible opponents and Joshua and Ruiz are fighting against each other. Tyson and his handlers should be ashamed of themselves, he should be fighting the likes of Povetkin and Whyte, not Wallin and Shwarz.

 

Why does it matter if any of them were undefeated?

 

Because no one wilder ever fought ever amounted to much if anything. Its always a harder fight with unpredictability when you have undefeated guys who can fight ,Wallin is tough hes actually fought AJ before and is NOT the same fighter you guys think he is.

Ortiz is Wilders best win and we knew what we were getting ,he has the worst resume himself ( Ortiz for a top 10 HW. )

We cant just say THIS guy is unproven and its a terrible fight when Wilder fights guys proven to be average before the fight. Makes no sense.

 

What?
So being undefeated is completely meaningless.