Tyson Furys resume is better than Anthony Joshuas

I think it's very debatable
I think both have been really good top HWs
I guess it comes down to what you like

Fury probably has the overall best win with the win over Klitschko when he was a long reigning champion.
In scoring that win it meant nobody else could match it in the division or had the chance to as Fury then didn't fight for around two and a half years or make any defences
Joshua did make consistent defences and was involved in more unifications as well as facing more top 10 rated opponents

Fury fought Klitschko then had around 3 years before facing another top 10 rated fighter (Wilder), then had a couple of filler fights before facing another top 10 rated fighter (Wilder 2), then another gap of over a year and a half before facing another top 10 rated fighter (Wilder 3). He did fight Whyte after that who was a top 10 rated HW but then had a couple of filler fights and over 2 years before facing another top 10 rated fighter (Usyk)

Joshua fought top 10 rated Martin has a couple of fillers and fought Klitschko in a unification, less than a year later fought another top 10 rated fighter in a unification (Parker), fought top 10 rated Povetkin after, was supposed to fight top 10 rated Miller after but had the Ruiz fight. Lost that fight but rematched immediately, then defended against top 10 rated Pulev then fought Usyk after

I think if facing top competition consistently it is tougher to stay at the top and harder to stay undefeated if more active

In the time from winning their first world title
Fury November 2015 and Joshua April 2016

Fury is 5-1-1 in world title fights
Joshua 9-0-4 in world title fights

Unifications
Fury 0-0-1
Joshua 2-0-0

I really think you can argue it either way.
Both are great IMO

 

They have many common opponents whom they both beat. These pretty much cancel each other out.

But when you get beaten in absolutely humiliating fashion, like Joshua did against Ruiz, by a guy you go in against as an unbackable favourite, that is a big blemish on your record. Particularly when he stops you and many saw it as a quit. That you win the rematch on points, only has you 1-1 with that guy and Ruiz isn't in the same league as an Usyk or a Klitschko. Not even close.

The Dubois fight might have been against a better opponent than Ruiz but Joshua's performance was even worse. He was owned from the very first bell and dropped time after time, until inevitably he got punched into la la land. Joshua showed nothing to suggest he should even have been in the same ring as Dubois and if they rematch, that's the end of Joshua.

 

It's a give away isn't it.

Some kids who post here seem to think there are prizes on offer for the poster who gets the last word in, regardless of how poor and irrelevant to the discussion the content is. It's unfortunate but at least they are easy to spot.

I have often thought they should start a kids section of the forum.

 

Do you think Joshua would have benefitted if he took more filler fights or more time between top 10 competition like Fury tended to do?

 

You are so critical and focused on Joshuas performances vs Dubois and Ruiz.
Now lets take a look at Fury vs Ngannou and Wallin. Fury barely beat them and Joshua beat them both with ease.
Fact is that Joshua has tested himself more. And it´s likely that Fury would have more losses on his record had he fought top competition more often.

 

I think you can spin it or see it either way
I'm not sure the Wilder wins were greater than say the Parker or Povetkin wins though do think hype does account for alot
I think it's very debatable
I think both have been really good top HWs
I guess it comes down to what you like

Fury probably has the overall best win with the win over Klitschko when he was a long reigning champion.
In scoring that win it meant nobody else could match it in the division or had the chance to as Fury then didn't fight for around two and a half years or make any defences
Joshua did make consistent defences and was involved in more unifications as well as facing more top 10 rated opponents

Fury fought Klitschko then had around 3 years before facing another top 10 rated fighter (Wilder), then had a couple of filler fights before facing another top 10 rated fighter (Wilder 2), then another gap of over a year and a half before facing another top 10 rated fighter (Wilder 3). He did fight Whyte after that who was a top 10 rated HW but then had a couple of filler fights and over 2 years before facing another top 10 rated fighter (Usyk)

Joshua fought top 10 rated Martin has a couple of fillers and fought Klitschko in a unification, less than a year later fought another top 10 rated fighter in a unification (Parker), fought top 10 rated Povetkin after, was supposed to fight top 10 rated Miller after but had the Ruiz fight. Lost that fight but rematched immediately, then defended against top 10 rated Pulev then fought Usyk after

I think if facing top competition consistently it is tougher to stay at the top and harder to stay undefeated if more active

In the time from winning their first world title
Fury November 2015 and Joshua April 2016

Fury is 5-1-1 in world title fights
Joshua 9-0-4 in world title fights

Unifications
Fury 0-0-1
Joshua 2-0-0

I really think you can argue it either way.
Both are great IMO

 

They are being highlighted because Ruiz and Dubois are far and away the worst losses in Joshua and Fury's combined careers. You can't wish them away. They happened and both are big blots on Joshua's career.

If Fury had been beaten up by Ruiz and Dubois you would be throwing it in everybody's faces and claiming Joshua's career was superior because of it, and you know it.

 

Yes.

But Fury didn´t fight them. Fury fought barely any contenders at all. His resume is thin.

 

You can't project losses Fury's way just because Joshua had losses.

Ruiz did not have a significant win to his name when he humiliated Joshua in 2019 at the Garden. I have never heard anyone suggest Ruiz would have beaten Fury that night. Levels.

Try and use facts rather than fiction as the basis for your argument.

 

Fury's been disapppointing. He seemingly had the ability to get a lot more done that he has. But we'll never know for sure. It's over for him now. Beating Usyk would do a lot for him, but this is the twilight of their top-level careers.

 

It is the twilight of Usyk, Fury and Joshua's careers. They are probably all a loss from retirement.

 

I never said Ruiz would have beaten Fury. I said Fury has struggled with opponents that Joshua obliterated and that Joshua has fought at the highest level more often.

Funny you use the word "levels" when Fury barely beat Ngannou and Wallin, whom Joshua (again)obliterated.

Fact is that Fury picked his opponents carefully. His resume is paper thin and if he fought top guys more often, I bet he would have more losses on his resume. As evident by his lackluster performances.

 

You are still trying to ignore those two horrendous losses but rest assured they will never go away.

 

I am not. I acknowledge them. You are ignoring the fact that Fury has struggled with lower tier opponents and that his resume is paper thin.
Yet you praise him for having a single loss.

 

fury didnt train for those fights and didnt take them seriously this is common knowledge
but even on a bad night he can pull off a win thats what great fighters do

joshua got destroyed by 4 underdogs

there are levels