Tyson Furys resume is better than Anthony Joshuas

Not sure what you found defensive? I'm guessing you are saying that as you were trying to indicate something and got shown that wasn't the case.

I don't see it as weird at all
You have to look at where they both were in their careers at different times
I found it more strange when Fury fought Chisora in his 3rd defence of his title considering Chisora was 1-3 in his last 4 fights leading up

I found it amusing how you indicated it was possibly due to a bad style match up only to find that the fight was offered

 

Speculated. Not indicated.

Not everything is an attack on your beloved AJ.

 

"Wlad beat boxers that are a lot better than Puritty and Williamson in a dominant fashion."

Puritty was stylistically more troublesome than say Byrd due to his size, chin and pressure. Williamson likewise: lost a close fight to Byrd but had more range, power and foot movement, so he gave Wlad far more trouble and made Wlad duck the rematch after the controversial first fight. These fights foreshadowed problems Wlad would have down the road with fighters who brought similar or better attributes to the table, like Brewster and Fury.

"Fury beat Wilder in the rematch using jab, grab, right hand tactics that Wlad used his whole entire career."

Wlad's jab and grab didn't work on similar size opponents and Fury wasn't grappling nearly as much. Wlad never produced a performance as impressive as Wilder 2. When he fought arguably his best win he spent more time grappling than punching. If Wlad had fought Chisora rather than avoiding that fight he'd have been all over his back round after round and probably gone the distance.

Byrd and Povetkin won't make it, Povetkin has no chance (never had a world title, signature win Whyte, Russian). Byrd would have made it if he retired after he beat Holyfield.

Sanders was something like a 20-1 underdog, 10 or more opponents had turned the Wlad fight down for the WBO title fight when they got to Sanders. As if K2 didn't have a rematch clause. Sanders himself said that Wlad didn't ever ask for a fight again and I believe it. Manny Steward and Wlad practically admitted to ducking Williamson, so why wouldn't they duck someone who blew Wlad out in barely more than 1 round? It was an obvious duck of an opponent who had smashed him to pieces in seconds.

 

You are now coming across a bit salty as your "speculation" was made to look as silly as it first sounded.
As for my beloved? Not sure where you would get that from but interesting because when someone is a fan they often try and speculate about others in a certain way, to give a new narrative for who they are beloved to.
The speculation...
"Joshua may not have fought Chisora due to a bad style match up but my beloved did face him, and more than once"
I get what you were trying to do.
That's the great thing when you have a balanced view and are a fan of the sport rather than just the fighter. You look at facts and not narratives

To me they are both top UK HWs who have done great things

 

I'm not going to continue engaging with you if you're going to continue getting emotional about it.

Chisora has fought most of the big names out there throughout his career except Wilder and AJ. Given that AJ and Chisora are both prominent UK fighters I thought it was odd they never actually fought (potentially a style problem as Chisora is a swarming fighter?).

That's it. No need to throw your toys out of the cot about it. If you disagree that's fine, but you need to settle down.

 

Oh yes
I am very emotional (coming from you as someone who first brought up the word beloved when talking boxing) that Chisora wasn't interested in taking the Joshua fight when it was offered
Thanks for saying
It was keeping me awake all night

Edit
I should add
It's not about whether either of us agree or disagree
I have shown you a video where he says the fight was offered

 

Sanders was 40-1 underdog. But that doesn't matter anyway. The contract had a rematch clause with the option for both men to have an interim fight. Both man agreed to have it and meet later. Sanders aimed at Roy Jones, Wlad aimed at David Tua. In the meanwhile, Sanders didn't get the Jones fight and WBO tried to pressure him into fighting Brewster, so he dropped the belt. After that he got the Vitali fight.

 

"Sanders was 40-1 underdog."

Aside from the first search results being "Wlad was a -2000 favourite" (which if accurate means Sanders was 20/1 at most), 40/1 would virtually equal Tyson-Douglas. This is extremely unlikely given that Wlad had already lost by TKO to journeyman Puritty, been dropped by another journeyman, had best wins over WBO titlist Byrd (UD12) and contender McCline (RET10), didn't have a generally recognised world title belt and Sanders was regarded as a more dangerous puncher than Douglas. Tyson was undefeated, never knocked down, lots of early KO's at title level, undisputed champ who had virtually cleared out the division, hyped like never before or after etc. After Tyson-Douglas upsets have never been seen as quite so unlikely.

The most likely explanation is that Wlad and his team had no interest in putting him back in with Sanders and never offered him a return, before or after he fought Vitali. If Steward was totally against a Williamson rematch on the basis that "the styles were all wrong", he was never co-signing a rematch with Sanders. There was also no chance that Sanders ducked Wlad given he made mincemeat out of him, he carried on boxing for years after and it would have been another huge payday for him. This isn't an unambiguous criticism of Wlad; he was smart to avoid a guy who destroyed him in 205 seconds. Look at Price jumping back in with Thompson, such bravado can ruin a career.

 

Edit to previously

Think it is a bit of take your pick
The more fights someone has against higher rated opposition the more chance they have of losing I guess

- Fury won his first World title around 9 Year 1 month ago
- Joshua won his first World title around 8 Year 8 month ago

Since then

- Fury had 3 successful title defences
- Joshua had 7 successful title defences

- Fury is 5-2-1 in world title fights
- Joshua is 9-4-0 in world title fights

- Fury has not won any unification fights
- Joshua has won 2 unification fights

- Fury has faced I believe around 4 different top 10 rated opponents in that time span and lost to one of them
- Joshua has faced I believe around 9 different top 10 rated opponents and lost to 2 of them including to a fighter not rated in the top 10

- Fury has beaten 2 world champions
- Joshua has beaten 3 world champions

- Fury beat long reigning champion Wladimir to win world title but didn't defend, so Joshua was not able to contest the title
- Joshua did win the 3 relinquished titles WBA, WBO and IBF titles in 3 separate fights

Think you could make a case for either

 

We have our back and forwards, but he's definitely not the worst and gives props where it's due

I hope this is a temporary ban

 

All the talk will be over before the end of 2025. The boys will cash out and clash at wembley.

 

Williamson was a journeyman type and probably doesn't crack Wlads top 20 wins. Rematching him would have proved nothing. This is a guy who got blown out by Joe Mesi