Tyson Haters Betray a stunning Lack of Boxing Judgement!!!!

I challenge you to explain Tyson looking way better in 1996 against a 20lbs bigger, stronger and more powerful Bruno than he did in 1989 at his peak against a less good Bruno?

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It proves Tyson barely changed skill/stylewise.

 

He may have looked way better because Bruno was shot when they fought in 1996. He had already, tragically, fired Rooney by the time he fought Bruno in '89 but he was still a better version of himself than we saw in '96. '89 Tyson, while not the razor sharp killing machine we witnessed under Rooney/D'Amato from '85-'88, was still a deadly puncher who was in his physical prime...the only difference was that he was now primarily a head hunter without his patented elusiveness or the tailored "gameplan". '89 Tyson was head and shoulders above the '96 version but still a few notches below the '87-'88 version.

 

Early Tysons boxing skills were very good and i'd be surprised if it wasn't far off being universally accepted.
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I symapthise with Tyson with what happened in his personal life and how it unfolded from an early stage in his life. But i don't excuse him as a boxer for some of the things others do, and i won't embarrass myself by doing that. What's with this phrase 'Tyson haters', i love the ****ing ground the man walks on. We can still be objective about him though.

 

Tyson is the most under rated fighter on this board.

People just hate him. I don't really understand it.

 

I feel that it's very hard to judge Tyson h2h with other greats. Reason being, that in his prime he ran through the heavyweigth division like a whirlwind and was not truly tested. Therefore it becomes really difficult to judge if he was a great fighter or just a great talent. Great fighters do great things when faced with adversity. When he faced real adversity he was well passed being a hungry fighter and was just trying to maintain himself as a human.

H2H it becomes hard for me to figure what would happen if he faced a Dempsey because we dont truly know how he would react when socked in the jaw real good.

 

This is a good post in terms of what you are saying generally. The only thing is that he wasn't well past it when he faced adversity in the form of Buster Douglas handing him his arse.

I agree with what you're saying about him being hard to judge in the regard you're talking about though.

 

He never fought at his best post Spinks in my opinion. He became pretty sloppy right away, and proof was him getting shook pretty good by Bruno in his first fight without Rooney in his corner.
Tyson could always punch, but a puncher always falls back on his power, and Cus D Amato's biggest emphasis for that style was defense and elusiveness, to take advantage of an opponents mistakes, and with Tyson he had the speed and power to go along with it, and thats what made Tyson such a dominant fighter.
What people dont realize is how good Tyson was defensively and how good his counterpunching skills were. He rarely got hit cleanly, and his ability to capitalize on his opponents misses created an almost defenseless opponent. Thats why you saw the better fighters hold or get knocked out quickly, because they couldnt afford to punch back and open up, because Tyson could capitalize on it so quickly.

 

Thanks Teeto.

Well, my thoughts on the Buster fight was that he was physically in his prime but he was gone mentally. That was right in that time period where things were totally falling apart for him. And that translated into a different Mike in the ring that night.

Before that fight, Mike would approach the ring with scowl that said blood lust. Approaching the ring and in the ring before the fight began he had a scowl, but it seemed more like an annoyed scowl. Like he was annoyed that he even had to take that fight. Even the announcers commented that he looked like a different Mike. And then, when the fight started there was no side to side slipping like he used to. No head movement and no weaving. He was just out there throwing bombs as if that's how he allways fought. Tyson's style was beautiful bec/ of his perpetual motion ala Willie Pep, Aaron PRyor, Frazier... etc.... He was a sitting duck against Douglas that night.

 

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You're right. I should of specified, he's the most under rated fighter that's often talked about imo. If you follow what I mean.

 

I underrate him so much I think the 6'2" broad shouldered fighter in my avatar is bigger than him. :nut What a fool I am.