Tyson kd vs Douglas kd

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  1. Unforgiven

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    Yeah, only Douglas knows for sure.
     
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  2. Unforgiven

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    I haven't scored it.
    They looked very evenly matched though. The scores look accurate.
     
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  3. lufcrazy

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    The difference between this and dempsey, imo, is that we can clearly see these two got a pretty identical count. From what i've seen of dempsey, tunney that doesn't appear to be the case. However i've not seen a comparison vid for that fight so i'm not 100%

    As for douglas - tucker. It was even, very competitive throughout and douglas got hammered at the end. Whether he chose to quit or whether he had to quit don't really make a difference to me tbh.
     
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  4. Sangria

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    Douglas definitely could have continued against Tucker and looks like he packed it in when the going got tough. It just seems so clear to me.
     
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  5. lufcrazy

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    It could be the case, but whether he'd had enough physically or had enough mentally, does it really make a difference?
     
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  6. Sangria

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    I'm not sure what you're getting at. Yes there's a difference because when you mentally give up it's called quitting. When you can't take it physically anymore it's called going out on your shield. BIG difference.
     
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  7. lufcrazy

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    Yeah we're coming at this from two separate directions. I mean in terms of validity of stoppage, from the ref's point of view.
     
    lufcrazy, Apr 26, 2011
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  8. Ted Spoon

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    More importantly, when Douglas got up he was good to go, when Tyson did he was done for.
     
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  9. lefthook31

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    The fight between Douglas and Tucker was very even as the judges saw it, but Tucker showed the killer instinct and the mental toughness that Douglas lacked, and thats what made Tucker a better fighter overall. This wasnt the first time Douglas showed his mental weakness and Im sure Tyson took this into consideration when he decided to party his butt off in Japan. He thought he would just snarl at Douglas and he would fall down.
     
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  10. lufcrazy

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    You're right, the whole world shared the opinion. I saw an interview with douglas a couple of week back. He said the whole 42-1 underdog story was a lie, the truth was they weren't even taking bets on the fight.

    The thing is with tyson, he'd already proven himself by then by cleaning out the division. There was nothing to suggest douglas would be anything other than a kayo victory.

    That being said, a true champ would have trained his arse off, kept mentally focused and beaten someone of that calibre.
     
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  11. lefthook31

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    This is true, but this is where all the haters discount the fact that Tyson was basically running his own show at the time. Im 100% sure Kevin Rooney would not have allowed Tyson to prepare the way he did for Douglas. They knew the importance of showing up for every fight in top shape regardless of the opponent. The same exact thing happened to Lennox Lewis when he went to South Africa unprepared.
     
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  12. Kalasinn

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    It wasn't a lie, Buster said they weren't taking bets on him in Japan.

    In America, there was one place which allowed bets for a Douglas victory; The Mirage in Vegas.

    [url]http://www.gamblingonlinemagazine.com/general-interest.php?articleID=323[/url]

    Here is the relevant extract:

     
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  13. lefthook31

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    One guy bet Douglas wow. I wonder if it was Ron Borges! :lol:
     
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  14. Unforgiven

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    Maybe true, but Rooney couldn't even keep his job as Tyson's trainer, so he wasn't actually capable of keeping Tyson in check.
    Tyson could certainly have done with someone serious in his corner that night, someone with a plan B. It may not have won him the fight but it could have made a big difference.

    Except Lewis's great trainer was actually part of the problem.
     
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  15. lefthook31

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    He couldnt keep his job because of the discipline and loyalty he demanded.

    Yes Steward was part of the problem, but Lewis wasnt physically prepared properly.

    Kevin Rooney wasnt training ten different marquee fighters, Tyson was his priority.
     
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