Tyson/Lewis?

But you can blame Lennox for taking the more lucrative option of a few million for no work, plus the Tyson fight later?

Interesting double standards... :think

Has he ever complained of that? No, because he DID get the fight, just a bit later than expected because of Tyson's need for several tune-ups.

And what was his record in those fights?

Out of interest, who are you considering to be those top-5? Tyson, Lennox, and who else?

- Moorer? How good was he as a HW? Was he better than the version of Holy that Lennox fought (the Ring Magazine #1 HW at the time) and was he THAT much better than the fighters that Lennox fought who you are so quick to dismiss?

- Bowe? He's only considered good because of the Holy fights. Other than that, what did he do?

...That still leaves one more supposedly great fighter. Who is it?

 

The fact is that Tyson was washed up. The win carries not even a shred of the magnitude that some people try to imbue it with.

 

WiDDoW_MaKeR does make some fair points but I always feel his posts are tainted because you know he has an agenda, which is to make Wladimir Klitschko look better.

 

Tyson was in his prime in the 80s. The fight took place in the 2000s. Please follow.

 

That's not the point he was making. Please read the post properly.

 

People hoping a washed up Tyson could win, then supporting him, do not change the fact that he was indeed washed up. Thanks for trying, though.

 

It's not about "trying". People made the argument that they felt if Tyson could have a proper training camp and use some head movement he had a chance to win. For one round he looked okay but then Lewis took over.

It's of little consequence to me if people think it's a good win for Lewis or not. I just don't like seeing Klitschko fanatics attempting to denigrate Lewis's achievements for their own agenda.

 

What does Klitschko have to do with this? The fact that you brought him in tells me quite a bit. I don't give a **** about either Klitschko.

Tyson was washed up when Lewis fought him, and that is the bottom line.

 

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I am on this site talking about 100 fighters... yet people like you always act like it is somehow trying to make Wlad look better. You guys are the most paranoid people that I have ever came across. If you ever notice... no matter WHO I talk about, people quote me and THEY start talking about Wlad. If you don't notice that, I don't know what to tell you. I talk about Wlad when the topic fits the subject. My feelings on Tyson/Lewis... or the 90's era of heavyweights have no bearing on how Wlad looks. Wlad stands on his own two feet. He is in his own era, and he is making his own mark. Discussing Bowe, Tyson, Holyfield, Foreman, ect... isn't going to change what Wlad does, or how anyone perceives him.

 

I disagree. I think by attempting to belittle Lewis's achievements you hope to raise the regard in which people hold Wlad's. I think you have to take some responsibility for people's perception of you as a Klitschko fanatic.

 

Exactly. It's ****in' unbelievable. Exactly why would Klitschko fans want to tear down Lewis' career... in an effort to make the Klitschkos look better? Lewis pulled out a win against Vitali in the last fight of his career. Exactly how does tearing DOWN Lewis, raise them up? If "Klitschko fanatics" were trying to make the Klitschkos look better... they sure wouldn't be able to do that by tearing down Lewis. Lewis looking worse can't possibly have a positive effect on either Klitschko.

Also, NOTHING about Lewis can affect Wlad whatsoever. They never fought each other.... and both primed out at completely different times. These guys make no sense at all.

 

I actually laugh at the paranoid people on this site who act that childish. I guess when I was defending Gamboa in the other thread... I was also somehow trying to elevate Wlad, by raising Gamboa, which clearly discredits anything that Lewis has done.:nut

Just like in the Oscar/Mayweather thread... where I made a post regarding Oscar vs Mayweather... and was immediately quoted by someone talking **** about the Klitschkos. It's pathetic.

 

What have I said that's childish? I've addressed you in an adult manner with no personal insults. It's just the impression I get from you. RUSKULL is far worse though, perhaps you should try and distance yourself from him.

 

Why would I do that? As I said before, I don't take anyone who is paranoid enough think that way seriously.

I think that it is really a simple matter. Stop being so damn concerned about the Klitschkos all of the time. If you are in a thread regarding Lewis and Tyson, and I make a good point... then I simply made a good point, and leave it at that. If we are in a thread regarding the Klitschkos... and you think that I am being biased... then address it at that time. Simple as that. I think that works a bit better than trying to find some mythical underlying reason in all of my posts to in some way raise the stock of the Klitschkos. Even when the posts have nothing at all to do with them. I can't raise the Klitschkos by downgrading anyone else. They stand on their own achievements or lack there of. If anything... wouldn't I want to put more stock in Lewis as a great Champion, so that Vitali looks better? What sense would it make to talk down on Lewis, who pulled out a win against Vitali... as a way of making Vitali or especially Wlad look better?:think

 

Yep, I'm still waiting for him to explain to me how Klitschko is involved in my post, in any way/shape/form.