Tyson Luke Fury vs. Oleksandr Oleksandrovych Usyk

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  1. Fury on points

    24.5%
  2. Fury by stoppage

    19.1%
  3. Draw

    3.1%
  4. Usyk on points

    43.3%
  5. Usyk by stoppage

    10.0%
  1. Brumsongs

    Brumsongs Member Full Member

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    Fury KO or Usyk points.

    I do think it's interesting how certain some people are that Fury is unskilled. All of these people are on forums, cause you never hear fighters, trainers or journalists saying it.
     
  2. 007 373 5963

    007 373 5963 Active Member Full Member

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    To think that Usyk KOs Fury is lunacy. Deontay Wilder is the hardest puncher in the division and even with knocking down Fury multiple times, Wilder still couldn't finish him off. There's no way in hell that Usyk knocks out Fury. I doubt he'll even score a knockdown at all. Usyk's best chance is to outbox Fury plain and simple and win those rounds.
     
  3. miniq

    miniq AJ IS A BODYBUILDING BUM Full Member

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    Ban me and put me through public humiliation if Fury doesn't obliterate this midget.

    You're all living in a fantasy world manufactured by Eddie Hearn. I prefer Cruiserweight Usyk who wasn't after a retirement payday
     
  4. GotchaHat

    GotchaHat Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Usyk is going to put a grand whooping on Fury, Fury has show weaknesses in all his big fights, Usyk will exploit them to perfection
     
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  5. snake33

    snake33 Active Member Full Member

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    Yes there are because it makes sense. If he could have KO'd Joshua he would. But he couldn't.
    Fury is a huge level better than Joshua and can adapt to any situation.
    Usyk will lose but get a nice retirement payday, maybe two.
    And after he's retired some of you will claim he really won because he won a round or two before he lost.
     
  6. spravedlivylev

    spravedlivylev Haaaappy Neeeew Yeeeear! banned Full Member

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    Usyk by UD. There's a reason why Fury has been ducking him for a year now. Two years ago, before Usyk stepped up to HW, John Fury, in a rare moment of honesty said, how good a fighter and dangerous Usyk was and beating him might be "too tricky even for Tyson" (don't quote me on that, I can't remember his exact words, this was the gist of it). Forget all the middleweight and midget BS talk team Fury have been blabbering about in the last few months - that was their honest opinion of Usyk right there: dangerous and tricky. Peter Fury, the only honourable member of the whole family has also confirmed multiple times how highly they regarded Usyk.

    Usyk is all wrong for Fury in terms of style. Cunningham, who is not a poor man's but a homeless man's Usyk, caused all types of problems to a much faster, lighter and almost 10 years younger Fury. And Usyk is ten times faster, more skilled and more clever than Cunningham ever was. Fury is still carrying around an extra 20-25 lbs or so (he was 247 lbs against Klitschko) and has been clearly declining in terms of speed since the second Wilder fight. He was noticeably more sluggish in the third Wilder fight, then slower still against Whyte, then even slower against Chisora. Of course, flat-footed plodders like Wilder, Whyte and Chisora won't expose this decline in speed - but Usyk will, big time. He said he noticed weaknesses in Fury's game and he was even more confident he would beat him. Usyk never does any trash talking, and never says things just for the sake of saying them or for hyping up fights. If he says he practically knows he would beat Fury it's because that's genuinely how he feels.

    Fury won't be able to do anything against Usyk's speed, mobility, constant movement, pivoting, balance and coordination. Fury is good against slow, big guys, but Usyk is on a whole another level. Fury won't be able to keep Usyk away with jabs because Usyk is faster and will counter him. He won't be able to chase Usyk down either because Usyk is a master at fighting on the back foot and has a much better gas tank. Does anyone think all that weight gain and weight loss as well as boozing and doing drugs for much of his adult life won't make a difference for Fury when facing Usyk? Usyk has been disciplined and lived cleanly all his life and is a maniac in training, sparring 15 rounds against 4-5 different opponents and only resting 30 seconds between the rounds, and then running the treadmill for another 15-20 minutes after these monster sparring sessions. Remember what Krassyuk said: Usyk "always goes through hell" in training. Fury won't be able to do much against that gas tank, not in a million years. He was visibly exhausted in that 11th round against Wilder, whereas Usyk cranks the tempo up like crazy in the championship rounds. Fury won't be able to lean on Usyk either because Usyk is a master at either punishing bigger guys leaning on him with brutal body shots (watch the Fa or the Modugno fights to see how fiercely Usyk punishes them when they try to lean on him) or shoving them away (watch how he shoved Joshua away when Joshua tried to clinch him a couple of times). Fury can't knock him out cold either as he still doesn't have that one-punch power and Usyk has a granite chin anyway. If Joshua, the second hardest punching active HW today, hits you cleanly in the face with a straight right hand that usually puts people to sleep but you don't even slow down let alone get knocked down let alone get knocked out, Fury could never hurt you.

    On a side note: Usyk doesn't give up six inches to Fury. Fury is not 6'9, never was, it has always been a lie. He is 6'7. Not only he was listed as 6'7 as an amateur, but there are also plenty of pictures of him standing beside legit 6'8 and 6'9 people (David Price, Magic Johnson, Thor Bjornsson etc.) and he is clearly shorter than them. Also, he admitted to Wallin during their face-off that he was 6'7. It's clearly audible how Wallin asks him "how tall are you" to which Fury responds "6'7".

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    So Fury is only around one inch taller than Joshua. Usyk will absolutely have no problem with handling Fury's height and reach. It will be a 116-112 or a 117-111 UD for Usyk, just like against Joshua.
     
  7. uppakut

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    Having said all the above is Fury even going to accept the fight?...judging from Furys interview on IFL with kugan he seems more interested in fighting David Price and David Haye..................He is full of sh1t and so are his brainwashed fans
     
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  8. Guerra

    Guerra Well-Known Member Full Member

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    People are fooled by kronk Fury. He's not stopping Usyk. It will be a decision either way.
     
  9. spravedlivylev

    spravedlivylev Haaaappy Neeeew Yeeeear! banned Full Member

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    Very good point. I think concerns about the fight not happening are, sadly, quite legit. Fury is and has been hell-bent on avoiding Usyk since last year. He has been ducking him for about a year now. First, there was his demand to fight Whyte instead of Usyk last April (despite there having been advanced talks about an undisputed bout), then there was his sudden retirement, then later (but only after Usyk gave a rematch to Joshua hence he was fresh out of a title defence) his comeback and messing around for months with organising a fight with Joshua or Charr (lol) or Chisora (lol). He ended up having a pointless and shameless cash-grab sparring session against Chisora - but with a known and pre-existing injury. There is little doubt he hoped for the injury to get worse as a result of his "fight" against Chisora which would have needed a long time to heal = he could have ducked Usyk once again, for a third time in a year. Up until now, I'm yet to meet anyone who could come up with a logical explanation as to why the WBC champion would fight a voluntary bout against a 12 losses opponent pushing forty (whom he has already beaten twice with ease) while nursing an injury, instead of waiting 6-8 weeks for a chance to become undisputed - and during which time he could have taken care of his injury too. All the more so, since said champion has been blabbering about how easy it would be for him to beat his "middleweight midget" opponent and hence become the undisputed heavyweight champion of the world, the first one after more than 20 years. Why on Earth would anyone in their right mind risk that, if not for ducking the other guy? It's also quite telling that Fury still hasn't signed the contract after what, three-four weeks now? Imagine the scenes the big bald oaf would make if the roles were reversed.

    Long story short, yes, I feel that Fury will continue to mess around and duck Usyk until Usyk retires - which, considering he is going to be 36 in a few weeks, must be rather close. I'd say Usyk will retire either this year or the next.
     
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  10. VBOX

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    Epic post. I particularly enjoyed the tub of whale **** line. :sisi1
     
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  11. Heavyrighthand

    Heavyrighthand Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Originally thought Furys size and skill would be way too much for Usyk, but I now see it differently.

    Usyk handled Joshua’s size and power really well.

    Usyk will have a harder time with Fury, but I still see Usyk winning on points.

    Usyk is an incredible boxing talent/ on par with a young James Toney….

    The winner will be the first undefeated, unified HW champion we’ve had since a young Mike Tyson……….bring it on!!!
     
  12. Heavyrighthand

    Heavyrighthand Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Please add more paragraph breaks

    trying to read that blocky sucker is like eating a loaf of stale bread
     
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  13. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    I added 1.
     
  14. CooperKupp

    CooperKupp “B.. but they all playin NBA basketball again!” Full Member

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    Honestly man… I think it will look more spectacular than that!! It will shock so many people. People have this idea in their head that Fury is this MASTER boxer. But he’s a very good boxer with an ability to utilize his reach, range, height and weight against smaller fighters who aren’t anywhere near the level of Usyk.

    We are going to see a very frustrated Fury by the 4th round. And don’t be surprised if Fury’s gets floored by a quick counter left he didn’t see coming. People are STILL thinking Usyk can’t punch. :rolleyes::facepalm:
     
  15. Reg

    Reg Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Let's not assume one of the ABCs don't strip Usyk beforehand for not defending against their undeserving mandatories first.