Tyson says Punching power is a gift? What do ya think? (video)

no, not what u said.

look you have these muscle fibres, depending on how u train decides whether they turn into fast twitch muscle fibres or slow twitch. if u are a sprinter, u muscles fibres strengthen and grow as fast twitch fibres, if ur a marathon runner u develop ur slow twitch fibres.

i've heard that once these fibres have started developing it is hard to change them. if ur a harder worker in the gym i think u get the results.

i think power can be mistaken for timing anyway, also technique. tyson said he used to try and land glancing hooks because they were the punches that would knock people out, not the solid shots

 

I don't believe everyone can punch with power, or increase their punching power if they train hard enough, or train in the right way. You are either born with it, or you are not. Certain people can naturally punch hard, certain people who have never undertaken a combat sport can naturally punch hard.
I believe you can increase your punching power with speed, punch placement, etc...but if you can't punch, you can't punch.

 

I'm not so sure about that. You can build some fast twitch muscle, if you train with explosiveness, think David Haye. Many boxers you see do not and have not trained too much in this way. Instead concentrate on doing lots of long distance running, which incourages the slow twitch muscle to grow, so perhaps when it comes to developing and building power for punching may be doing more harm than good.

Check out this, watch the video and you mean to tell me, this will not increase your punch power??? This guy has some good videos and articles and busts a few myths as well, on punch power and how to boost overall athletic performance.

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How many boxers incorporate these methods of training into their regimen? We keep saying you cannot train to be a puncher, but then you gotta look at how exactly are we training? cos what I see is more for endurance and stamina, and that will of course not give you explosiveness. Of course boxing requires a combination of things you need to incorporate, but if you want power you gotta train right and the results will come.

 

From what I have seen, the biggest punchers throughout boxing history, at any weight, it seems to come naturally for them. I havn't heard of any training that they do differently that would make them punch harder than others.
Like I said, I believe you can increase your punching power in different ways...but when I say increase, I don't mean go from a Malignaggi punch to a Maidana punch. I believe there is a limit to how much power you can punch at, and this is down to each individual.

Take for example two natural knockout artists...Prince Naseem Hamed, and Marcos Maidana. These guys did not develop their punching power, their power came naturally...they didn't/don't train any differently to anyone else.

I honestly believe you are either born with power, born with the tools to produce/develop good power, or you're not born with it at all.

Edit: That workout looks tough.

 

You played too much Mike Tyson's punch out on the NES...

 

I think your wrong here...Tyson was noted for his punch power right from the very start of his starting boxing as a kid - they noticed he had all the raw attributes of a good fighter from the get go! Even before Tyson started boxing he remembers his first fight with a kid much older and bigger than himself who did something to him, cant remember the story i think it was something to do with his pigeons and he KO'd the kid with 1 punch! When he did start boxing those training him right from the start saw POWER and speed, fast refexes - things that he developed massively over his formative years as a young kid learning to box.

Like a good chin is something your born with so is a the ability to punch harder than your average guy! You cant learn to become a puncher, only develop the raw goods that God gave you in the first place. Its like people who can sing - if you cant sing to start off with ie you got a singing voice you will never be a good singer cos all the lessons in the world only develop the raw materials you started out with!

 

Yeah, I forgot! She's one of the best. Tell your mom I said hi.

And punching above your weight is cool... 60 lbs. above your weight, no less! Impressive.

 

That's not true, you CAN develop punch power significantly but gotta stop believing in the myths that prevents combat athletes from improving their explosiveness with too much low intensity training. Have a read of this.

Basic Anatomy and Physiology

After reading that excess max-strength can impair speed strength, you may initially assume that heavy weight lifting is harmful for fighters. This is not true however.

Many old school trainers believe heavy weights will lead to excess bulk and reduced speed. This is a myth. Although excessive development of max-strength can pose problems, this strength quality is still important (if trained in moderation).

To understand the relevance of maximal strength training, it is important to first understand how the body functions. Once you understand the body, there is no disputing the relevance of maximal strength training.

For starters, muscle fibers are grouped into motor units. A motor unit contains hundreds of muscle fibers and one nerve, which delivers a signal to the muscle fibers. All of the muscle fibers contained within the motor unit are of the same type (fast twitch or slow twitch). When a signal is passed for the motor unit to contract, all of the fibers within that motor unit will contract.

When training for power development, we must target the fast twitch muscle fibers. Unfortunately, not all motor units are activated at once. Low intensity exercise does not activate the fast twitch muscle fibers. If the exercise does not stimulate a fast twitch motor unit, the muscle fibers contained within the unit will not adapt to the training. Essentially, if the motor unit is not recruited, no response occurs.

Thus, if you only lift very light loads, you will not adequately target the fast twitch muscle fibers. When lifting heavy loads (training maximal strength), a high percentage of motor units are activated. During such intense loads, fast twitch motor units are recruited. For this reason, maximal strength training is considered the superior method for improving both intramuscular and intermuscular coordination.

So, while excessive max-strength training can lead to problems, this strength quality must not be ignored. Through proper program design, max-strength training can be used to enhance the power potential of any athlete (ie. improve your ability to recruit, hence utilize your fast twitch muscle fibers).

http://www.rosstraining.com/articles/strengthtraining.html

Can you honestly say that most boxers are training their fast twitch muscle fibres enough to say that they are unable to significantly improve their punch power? I'm not so sure. I think many are afraid they will just bulk up, at the mere sound of hearing the words weight and training in the same sentence. I bet if trained correctly one can go from a moderately hard puncher to a pretty explosive puncher. That don't mean to say a KO artist but a very powerful puncher nonetheless.

 

No ****.

 

I will beleive what ever Cus Demato ever told Mike ..

 

I was just gonna say that. A lot of the biggest punches in boxing have big hands. Guys like Deigo Corrales has big hands and massive knuckle. Also guys like Mayorga. Rahman and George Foreman had huge fists and I think thats wear most of there power came from because none of those guys were fast and really never had great technique.

The actual size of your hands I think makes a huge difference. Like Paulie Malignaggi has hands like my girl and IMO that the main reason beside the fact that he breaks his hands with the sightest punch that he doesnt have any power.

There is a difference between explosive power like Hearns had and heavy heanded power like Foreman had.

 

Yeah, I think you can refine it a little but the raw power is something that you are predisposed to, as everyone seems to be saying.

Some guys who are not very strong hit hard. I do consider myself just an okay puncher for 130 lbs, but I consider myself very strong for the weight, but my friend, at the time a super middle, sparred a smaller heavyweight who was thinking of turning pro and that guy was pounding him into the ropes, something I had never seen as my friend is pretty durable even against heavies. I asked him how much harder that guy hit than me, and he said maybe three to four times as hard. That guy is not three to four times stronger than me on any lift, if anything I would say he was maybe 120-130% stronger in that way, but his punching power far far exceeded anything I am capable of generating no matter how physically strong I am, if I can curl a sixty pound dumbbell, it doesn't mean I can hit hard. It's something else. And if I poured everything I had into a combination to Kevin Kelly's stomach he would probably just laugh at me, but the same combination from Barrera would have him gasping for air, and I know in my heart I am a stronger all around guy than Barrera. He's just a deadly puncher, a better boxer, better conditioned, and technically a thousand times better than me, BUT he isn't stronger. (I actually think Kevin Kelly is much much stronger than Barrera in general, too, but that didn't go too well for him, just like Mosley is a physically much stronger man than Mayweather, who I have seen work out and is not really that strong.)

Yeah, some guys can just punch and you can work on your timing and your delivery but for some reason its just the way you instinctively punch that makes you dangerous from a KO perspective. Of course, there are guys like Whitaker who are not regarded as huge punchers who can still stop you or KO you with the extreme precision of their shots, but you can just tell they are not REAL punchers like a Cotto, Chavez, Jackson, Hearns, even Hagler. Punchers are 85% born and 15% refined, I think.

 

Paulie Malignaggi is proof that you're either born with punching power or not.

 

No matter how much Pauly Maliggani tries, he will never develop punching power like Maidana, like someone else said. Neither can Chrys Byrd become a hard puncher like Mike Tyson. You are born with a genetic makeup that determines muscle fiber density and the collective strength of each bundle of myofibrils (that composes a muscle fiber). This is different for each person. This is why some people are naturally strong, even stronger than others that have more muscle. Training muscle groups can obviously increase punching power, but it can only take you so far from the "base" level.

Sprinting or jogging or training an unbalanced fast/twitch muscle group has very little to with whether or not you're a light hitter like Chris Byrd or a power punching monster like Tyson. Think of each muscle fiber like a car. A group of civics towing a house will not be as effective as a single Mac truck towing a house. Some people have civics for muscle fibers, some people have Mac trucks, and then there are those in between.

So in a boxing punch power sense, you are either born with it not.

 

no... The first time i went in2 a boxing gym the coach told me I have a ko punch... it is just natural.... the technique comes after which obviously adds 2 your already above average punch power