Tyson speaks about the current state of boxing, and hits the nail on the head.

This is your opinion, and that is fine. Penn and Shrek are top fighters, I was talking about lesser known fighters/novice fighters with a couple matches under there belt. I currently spar with a few guys that are part of a fight club who travel mostly to Ohio for there fights, the one has an 0-3 pro record, the other is 7-2. I do have respect for there all around game, but there punching ability is pretty sad to say the least, I have already floored the guy who is 0-3 many times, the guy thats 7-2 only a few, his head movement and the way he comes in at angles make it hard for me to time my punches effectively.

Boxing is definitely a top 3 fighting method, that everyone should learn to help defend themselves in the streets. Learning the proper techniques of punching is key, not only for power and speed, but the ability to time your oppenent with a well placed punch.

 

Make no mistake, I think Mike was a rare talent & an animal in the ring but the out of ring antics were embarrassing. Street fights, drugs, ****, etc. "I want to eat your children" and the infamous eat biting, Lewis leg biting & the McBride nipple biting is too much.

 

cause they are overly defensive people, just how their favorite fighter fights.

defense first mang.

 

For anyone who cares about this sport a fighter's whole character and personality is reflected in the way they fight. What else could we ask for?

I don't care if a fighter is mute and just grunts at everythimg as long as he fights like Vasquez and Marquez did. :good

People say tha Cotto has no personality or charisma, well i disagree because when Cotto fights he has it all and has just what it takes to get me excited and tuneing in! I love Miguel Cotto just the way he is! :good

Now i'll just looked forward to Cotto vs Margarito and all the other **** hot fights this year while the casual fans can kiss my ass and Tyson can continue feeding and talkingout of his fat ass.

I've got no time for anyone who talks **** about boxing or MMA.

Ive been watching boxing for 13 years and MMA since UFC 2 and i'm still seeing **** loads of great fights in both sports.
Of course it could be better but both sports are still awesome! :happy

 

You've floored them in boxing training? What does that have to do with an MMA fight?

 

Kids don't need the Tyson type characters to give boxing a bad image. It's a sport not a street fight. If they want to watch a "character" maybe wrestling is their thing.

The racism angle has been done to death too, I lost a lot of respect for Shannon Briggs when he admitted that he lied about Sergei Liakhovich being a racist in the buildup to that fight just to sell more tickets. Briggs is a very likeable guy & he doesn't have to stoop that low to get my attention.

Hopkins too. I lost tons of respect when he said he'd never lose to a white boy. Well he did and how ****in' stupid does he look now?

 

I do like to hear the background of each fighter because it helps me understand the buildup to the fight itself.

 

Your right, I was just commenting on there lack of boxing skills/punching technique. I respect MMA guys as fighters, but the majority of the fighters punching technique has alot to be desired IMO.

 

I hear what your saying RUSKULL, but what Hopkins does is just to make more money, he said he never would get beat by a white boy, he smacked Winky in the face at the weigh-in, he threw Tito's flag on the ground, these events added extra excitement to his fights IMO, as well as getting ESPN's shows to give the fights a free plug by showing the events leading up to the fight, giving the average fan a reason to watch. Hopkins has always played mental games with his oppenents, it worked against Winky and it really was effective against Tito.

Shannon is good self promoter as well, I didnt hear the racist allegations before the fight, but he does seem to have the me against the world syndrome. I did hear him call out Liakhovich during a press confrence, he called him a ****ing a ******.:yep

 

I have no sympathy for the man.

He wouldn't want my sympathy, nor anyone else's for that matter.

Nor does he need any.

He could have done better, but he's ok.

If his private life was like Cotto's or Lewis' or Chris Byrd's, he would be a bit more content, maybe.

And he'd probably have kept more of his earnings.

But then he wouldn't be Mike Tyson.

He's had his ups and downs:

Youngest ever heavywt champ; Jail for ****.

Baddest man on the planet; Buffoon

Maried to a movie star; Living on charity

Basking in adulation; Despised and scorned.



Whatever else, he sure hasn't been boring !


How many of you have done what he has, and had those kinds of experiences ?


You gotta play the cards you're dealt and, all things considered, Mike's had a pretty good run at the bat.

 

No it's not my opinion, it's proven scientific fact. Its the art of fighting and the sweet science of fighting!

There's plenty of pro boxers who can't fight for ****. I hate to say it but there are **** loads of Charlie Z's all over the world and plenty of pro fighter in lots of sports who don't deserve a lisence.

With people who fight in MMA you can't expect them all to box like a boxer. A boxer spends all his time boxing, A BJJ spends all his time doign BBJ, A judo player spends all his time doing Judon etc etc. An MMA fighter spends all his time doing them all or workign mainly on his best art and workign on making the htings he's not so good at better.

There are ground fighter who cannot strike for **** who woudl hand some of the best boxers on earth their asses in a fight.

Boxing is a major martial art for self defence because you can strike faster and more time's with your fist's than any other weapon.

However against someone with a ground game or someone who trains in MMA it's one of the weakest martial arts. Only a sucker goes into an MMA fight or Vale Tudo fight with boxing skills alone.

There are high school wrestlers who would hand a world class fullly grown man boxer his arse in a straight up fight.

You could match up a prime Roy Jones against some of the rfighter's on this season of TUF and if Roy did'nt learn the ground game and thai boxing he'd get embarrased.

I watch a hell of a lot of MMA and Thai/Lickboxing and i see guys who have poor boxing butwho shine on other areas.

I see Thai boxers and kick boxers who have very average hands but their kicks and knees are amazing to watch with amazing technique and power.

I see Wrestlers who have no hands at all but are stronge like bull, have vicious take downs, slams, gorund control etc.

I see BBJ guys who have sloppy weak punches but they are so quick and flexible and move like Water.

 

To some degree that's true but take Chuck Liddell for instance;

He's certainly not an orthodox boxer, he squares up & keeps his hands all over the place yet he's very effective. He has great angles, timing & combos. The reason he "squares up" to his opponent is to defend against the takedown which isn't an issue in boxing for obvious reasons.

Most MMA fighters box a different way than they would if only boxing rules applied.

 

I was a Briggs fan up to that point. I guess I still am, he has very fast combinations, especially his hook to body/hook to head.

 

When you put it like that it makes sense I guess.

 

Fair enough Ruskull, Liddell has been known for quite awhile as one of the better strikers in the MMA, but the fact he got caught with a punch I seen coming a mile away from Rampage in there second fight, doesnt bode to well for him against a seasoned boxer, who does know how to faint a little bit, and can throw alot crisper hooks than Rampage. Who do you think would win in a kick boxing match prime for prime, Vitali or Liddell?