Tyson (Spinks fight) Vs. Lewis (Golota fight)

yes but it's a bit crazy that someone claims that in a hypothetical fight between Tyson in 1988 and Lewis in 1997 Tyson will break down having problems even though he didn't do that in their real fight in 2002.

I don't know what this proves but it's a completely senseless argument. What do you think? maybe you can explain to me the logic of this way of thinking? maybe there's something I can't see

 

I don't see it too.

 

One thing is for sure, whichever fighter hurts the other first finishes this fight...Tyson likely knocks out Lewis but Lewis could stop Mike on his feet. I think Lennox could be a devastating finisher but he lacked Mike's surgical speed...

 

I'd be keen for you two to show me where I've actually picked Tyson to quit vs Lewis. I've picked Lewis to grind him down and then KO him. Jakub has latched onto the whole quit thing and run with it leading to continued talk about it.

 

This is a great, well thought out and written post. Forgive me in advance if this is a dumb question, but are you keeping in mind Mike's hand speed (something that was obviously way down during their actual fight). To me Mike would get to Lewis just one too many times.

 

You have mentioned Tyson's psyche several times, that he withdrew from the Holyfield fight and that he was not as mentally strong as Mercer, which is probably meant to suggest that he would not be able to cope as well as Mercer did with the same opponent. If these were not arguments, maybe you presented it as a natural curiosity?

Indeed, from the beginning you stated that Lewis would have crushed Tyson in a few rounds, so it seems that he would have dealt with Tyson 1988 better than he did with Tyson 2002.
If you did not want to continue the topic of Tyson's psyche you could have cut it off right away instead of asking me whether Tyson was crazy already in 1988 or only in 1997.

 

I was responding to Jakub79, it was not directed at you.

 

Absolutely. You seemed to be agreeing with Jakub's imaginary stance of mine hence me asking.

All good.

 

Thanks Rules, i am stoked you are still about and posting mate.

Tyson slows down some after his furious early assaults and his combination punching eases. The first 2 rounds in particular are extremely important i think. Could Tyson get Lewis early? He'd have a chance for sure. I side with Lewis getting thru more times than not, personally. Steward was right when he said you have to get his respect early. Lewis would have to fight him in spurts early on to gain respect but Lewis is an enormous hitter and possesses one of the greatest uppercuts in the history of the division. We've seen peak Tyson hurt early by far lesser fighters, and indeed lesser punchers. If Lewis hurt him he'd be a lot harder to survive than Tony Tucker and co, that's for sure.

There's a lot of ways this fight could go. For me it would be close to evens on the betting front. Lewis has so much size and dimensions on him and is a bonafide ATG so it's a long way from one way traffic. It's an interesting matchup.

 

I am curious as to how Tyson would hold up mentally against an Ali, Foreman of Lewis. I better say up front that doesn't equal me saying i pick Lewis by Tyson quitting, just to get that out there! I mentioned Mercer was more durable and the punches he absorbed would affect Tyson more than it did Ray. That's simple common sense, Mercer has a granite chin.

It's getting a bit tiresome how often you misrepresent me, it's downright bizarre actually. From the beginning i said, EXACTLY, "He'd grind him down over several rounds before ending the night".

How can you get me claiming "Lewis would have crushed Tyson in a few rounds" from that?!?!?!?!!?

I did not say Lewis would have crushed Tyson in a few rounds. I also did not say Lewis would win via Tyson quitting.

The other day you claimed i said things that i didn't and then said you thought i was another poster. Take your time, read thru things and actually get a grasp of what is real and what is imaginary because you are posting a lot of imaginary.

I'm getting the feeling your first language is not English and that might explain, somewhat, the mix ups.

One more thing, but lets not derail on it. From memory Tyson was asking his corner to stop the fight against Lewis. Now yes, it's 2002 Tyson and not relevant in this match but it's puts an asterisk on him fighting to the end, even if he did. His corner refused to pull him is my memory of it.

 

No problem.
Even though I agreed with his post, I didn't imply that he had represented your opinion correctly or not.
I hope I'm clear.

 

1. Yes, English is not my native language, I use a translator and I can often misunderstand someone's opinion or express myself incomprehensibly. I apologized for this several times, asked for understanding and often ask for an explanation whether I really understand someone's opinion. I understood yours in the way that Lewis crushes Tyson in a few rounds - I understand that a few rounds is less than, for example, 8 and I also asked about that. I wrote that it looks like in your opinion Lewis crushes Tyson from 1988 faster than from 2002, which is possible but unlikely because Tyson from 88 was much better than the one from 2002.
2. On what basis do you think that Mercer has a stronger chin and psyche than Tyson? Ray was giving up the fight, Ray was lying on the mat being less tired and receiving weaker blows than Tyson, Ray was trying to bribe his rival during the fight. Both had similar problems with addictions and discipline but Ray was never at the top.

3. At what point did Tyson try to withdraw from the fight with Lewis? Can I ask for an explanation of his revelations? As I remember, in the 8th round, being exhausted and beaten, he still went on the attack. He had no chance and he kept attacking. He did the same when being beaten by D. Williams - he received a series of a dozen or so blows to the head and as soon as Williams stopped he dealt a desperate blow being almost knocked out. I have not seen Lewis in such a situation. Neither did Mercer.

4. Ali would probably have gotten into Tyson's head the same way as Tyrell Biggs, just like Butch Lewis before Spinks, so the Holmes hook. mIs there anyone who would be as much of a favorite with Tyson 1988 as Lewis was in 2002? Who could put him under more pressure?

 

We know Lewis carries a heck of a lot more firepower than Tucker, Douglas, Holy. That uppercut could indeed be a decisive mark early in the battler if scored even a couple of times square. If Mike goes into his more cautious, one-punch mode he could end up getting stopped or ko'd earlier than he did in their actual fight.

 

Hey cheers mate.

 

You can make reasonable arguments for either winning i think. It's a tough fight.