Tyson statistically proven to punch harder than Foreman

So beating Frazier, Norton, Lyle means nothing to you numbnuts? We're talking about careers as a hole or does your scant knowledge only go back 5 minutes.

You should get permission when youre going to butt into a conversation when you don't know wtf you're talking about. At least Sangria has basic knowledge and doesn't offer asinine comments like "I bet you wouldn't say that to Tyson's face derp derp" . ****ing simpleton.

Stick to making excuses in general as to why AJ got got ktfo by a short, fat Snickers addict you pleb.

 

Who were these 22-4? We're they rated on merit or were they rated because they were fighting Tyson and Don King who controlled boxing at that time saw to it that they got rated to give their fight relevance.

The likes of Tubbs, Biggs, Williams and Bruno had bugger all on their resumes to be rated let alone receive title shots and if they're examples of your "rated opponents" then I'd be inclined to take that stat you keep peddling with a pinch of salt.

 

Who should have been rated above them?

 

Foreman said he wouldn't fight Tyson if Don King was involved somewhere after 89...that's a duck . I also know foreman said Tyson would have been to fast for him so the entire Foreman kills Tyson is funny ,you cant reason with these people. the same newbies that weren't even around when they were fighting live would be the same ones calling foreman to slow ,no defense and unskilled if he were boxing today and be slandering him as they do the modern guys now , bunch of nitwits for sure. lol

 

First off Joshua isn't in the convo and hes already unified in 19 fights ,what was Foreman doing on fight 19 ? lol

Frazier was past his prime when he fought Foreman, you would understand why if you actually knew about styles and boxing ability when it starts to diminish. Obviously a huge puncher at 6'3 would knockout any stationary 5'11 guy who comes in with his head first . Frazier is probably his second best win .I would rate it a very good win ,its not foremans fault such a bad match up for an easy win was handed to him ,that's who was there.

Norton was also a good win along with Lyle but foreman wasn't champion when he defeated Ron Lyle maybe you just don't understand that ? did you know little Jimmy young defeated Lyle TWICE as well ? Is that guy better then Tyson to as he also beat foreman himself ? What about Quarry ,he defeated Lyle to ? I mean were using Ron Lyle as evidence that foreman has accomplished more right ? lol

Mike Tyson was youngest champion,unified and became lineal practically all at once before 1989 turning pro in 1985 ,and fought the the one of many guys Foreman ducked / avoided in Holmes later on and was the only guy to ever knock him out something Holyfield and Mercer couldn't do when he was in his 40's .

Foreman is an ATG for other reasons, so if you are going to cry over him and get over emotional you better know what your talking about with me bc you got NO shot here discussing boxing and ranting over who hes defeated and who Tyson has. .,really kid are crying ? Bc your posting style suggests that .


Now go play with your crayons,maybe eat them as well ,why not ?

 

Usually this kind of vitriol is saved for Marciano threads. Interesting thread love the passion. Lol

 

Yes and no.

Tyson's ability to string combinations together and actually make full use of his punching power is top 5 in the division, or as you say, "applying" his power.

However 2 marks against him:

-he has a very specific, limited range (cant fight at long range due to short arms and height, ironically isnt a great inside fighter and is easy to tie up in the clinch).

-his power tends to plateau around the middle rounds. His super aggressive, constant head slipping, seek and destroy style is very energy consuming. Sure he has won some decisions and gone 12 rounds but other than the ribalta stoppage he doesnt have KO's past the 7th. In other words, his pace.

Foreman's power is a threat at any range. He can cut the ring off, he can tag you with his telephone pole jab at ling range, he cam launch bulldozer upper cuts and hooks at midrange, and he can maul you like a bear and unleash painful body shots at close range. Foreman has two late round KO's and his clubbing hands are lethal every minute of the fight.

He is also a better finisher than Tyson. As I mentioned, other than Alex Stewart (who ran from a slow fat 43 year old man), no one made it to the final bell after being dropped or badly hurt by Foreman. Ruddock, tillis, Tucker, Williams, Green, and Douglas all got off the floor or recovered from being badly hurt and went the distance with or stopped Tyson. Foreman never let a guy off the hook like Tyson did if he had them badly hurt.

 

Dude, if you can't understand the context on why I posted those statistics...

Anyways, I knew you'd bring up Evan Fields as a barometer, somehow, since you do it in almost every thread about Tyson even if it doesn't involve him.

 

Jimmy Young is the exception for Foreman. He was badly hurt for sure. Foreman was a bit gassed to finish the trick at that stage. One guy ain't half bad tho and a cutie at that.

 

Tyson is 22-4 against ranked fighters.
Foreman is 7-5 against ranked figh

99%? Where'd you get those numbers? Probably made up by Tyson haters like yourself to denigrate Mike. You see the difference between me and you? I use factual evidence that I posted above about winning percentages and opponents records. Then I posted that Tyson is 22--4 against ranked fighters and Foreman went 7-5 against ranked fighters...which includes both of his careers. Don't believe me? Then do your own research and find out for yourself.

Look, we all know you hate Tyson. No need to keep popping in to every one of his threads to voice your disapproval. We all get it Unforgiven. I back my logic by numbers and stats. You back by yours with the feelings of a sensitive teenager battling puberty and angst.

 

Foreman didnt know how badly hurt young was:

“When he caught me with that punch, I asked God to help my soul,” said Young. “George did not know it, but while I may have been standing, I was out cold. He could have pushed me over with his little finger. How I survived that round I will never know. I think what may have saved me was that when George thinks he has you, he goes crazy. He leaves a lot of openings.”

Source: https://tss.ib.tv/boxing/boxing-art...-boxing-classic-jimmy-young-vs-george-foreman

My point stands. If foreman has you down or badly hurt and he knows it, you're done for. He his one of the most efficient finishers in the division 2nd perhaps only to Joe Louis.

 

Nice post, rules. This thread doesn't deserve it.

 

Ok, let's be serious. Why do you think (or what kids today like to use..."feel") that Foreman is greater than Tyson? Do you think, I mean feel, that Tyson's wins don't measure up to Foreman's victories? Are Tyson's losses more damaging to his career than Foreman's losses and close calls? Were the 70's just that much better than the 80's that a 70's fighter can come back in the 90's and win the world title? Shouldn't that be saying something about the 90's caliber of heavyweight? Do you think, sorry...feel that Tyson ducked Old Foreman?

 

Young himself says in your post what saved him "was that when George thinks he has you, he goes crazy. He leaves a lot of openings.".

He is saying Foreman thought he had him and went crazy. The "George did not know it" part implies to me that he was even more hurt than Foreman thought and Foreman could have basically finished him easily if he'd not gone so wild as he didn't need to per Young himself.

No argument could possibly be made that Foreman did not know Young was extremely hurt. On this night at this point in the fight he failed to finish Young. Foreman clearly goes after Young trying his utmost to finish him off. Part of the problem may have been the new conservative approach that led to the fight going this deep before Young was hurt hence Foreman not having enough sting to end it. Young's awkward tho and can hang in there.

This is coming from a huge Foreman fan. Letting one off the hook isn't too bad.

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I dont need to form an argument since Young did it for me. You said it yourself, Foreman knew he was hurt but didn't know how bad. Young played Possum. It's very similar to what Ali did with Shavers in the 2nd round.

Even if for the sake of argument I concede this point, Foreman still has a much better track record than Tyson going for the kill when his opponent is hurt. That was my whole point from the beginning. Foreman has young (whom he didnt realize how badly he had hurt and tried a different approach with a new trainer in a hot outdoor Arena) and stewart (who got dropped twice and ran from foreman who was 43 and obese). Tyson let Ruddock, tillis, Green, Tucker, Douglas, and Williams off the hook and most of those fights were the so called mythical prime Tyson.