Tyson v ,Layne,Lastarza,Walcott,Charles,Moore , Cokkel

Come on. Seriously?

 

I think you have it the other way around. Tyson was able to be so good most of the time because much of his title opponents were so underprepared.

Say what you want about Charles Walcott and Moore but they were fighting serious opposition, were in 15 round shape, ready to go and still great fighters.

Pinklon Thomas was 3-1 Over a period where Tyson had 26 fights and beaten 3 world class opponents. The last rated fighter Thomas fought had beaten him.

Holmes had not won any fight or even fought for almost 3 years. Since Larry last won a fight Tyson had amassed 30-0 run of a 32-0 career, winning 5 world title fights.


Tubbs had not beat a world class opponent since weeks after Tyson started his professional career some three years and 31 fights earlier. The last rated Guy Tubbs fought beat him some two years earlier. Since then he’d been ticking over in 3 low grade wins. whilst Tyson was winning 4 title fights.

Since Spinks became a heavyweight Tyson had fought 26 times to Michaels 4 fights. Tyson had won 7 championship fights and beat 6 heavyweight champions. Spinks had only fought one. Since Spinks was last in a ring Tyson had fought 4 times.

Bruno. Since Frank last Fought Tyson had defended his title 3 times. Frank had been inactive for over a year. Bruno had not fought at World level for 3 years.

At least Buster Douglas had fought on the last 3 cards Tyson had and his opponents on paper were all pretty good. McCall, Berbick and Mike Williams were good enough to fight the last three men Tyson fought, and in meeting them Douglas had clocked up 27 meaningful rounds to Tyson’s 7 mostly one way traffic rounds.

 

Also i thought i told you people no marciano threads for a week after the Foster vs Marciano thread

 

You don’t think 1951 Layne beats Tucker Douglas or Smith?

Marvis Frazier had already beat Smith among a lot of others. Douglas and Tucker were literally USBA title material rather than World championship material when they were bizarrely selected to fight for the vacant IBF title.

I think a lot is being taken for granted here.

 

Layne beat two real world champions and ended up being a fair gatekeeper. Layne was quite a staple in the real top ten for much of the decade. He certainly did a lot more than Tony Tucker, Tyrell Biggs or Tony Tubbs ever did.

It is impossible to find less than 30 third raters on Tony Tuckers record. Please name the big win Tucker had on his rise to a vacant title fight?

 

That is correct. Charles probably was robbed there. But still, he must have made the fight close enough. Tony Tubbs wasn’t taking great fighters to close decisions within years of meeting Tyson. Nor was Larry Holmes, nor was Pinklon Thomas, nor was Frank Bruno, Tyrell Biggs, And Michael Spinks. This can have some barring on how easily Tyson beat them.

 

wasnt The Tokyo Tyson performance within Mike Tyson’s prime?

 

Cokkell and Layne are taken out early.

As for the rest well Tyson would probably be too too fast and powerful but I wouldn't completely dismiss fighters the calibre of Walcott, Charles and Moore. Would those guys be tough enough and savvy enough to be able to withstand the early onslaught ?? IMO possibly. Were they good enough to be able to land cleanly with power on Tyson ?? Yes.

 

Tucker and Douglas would box Rex Layne’s ears off, and Smith would batter him.

 

I have long rated Douglass perfect combination of strategy and seasoning to beat Tyson...but can you entirely bank on a guy who still drew with Stefan Tangstad, was knocked flat by David Bey (and one fight later) Evander Holyfield?

The way Rex soaked it up to poleaxe poor Bob Satterfeild could be reminiscent of Douglas fate if they fought.

Tucker? Which particular performance before facing Tyson gives you any inkling that he was a better than average USBA Level fighter? Remember, nobody knew who the hell Tucker and Douglas were when they were selected to fight for Spinks stripped belt.