Tyson v Lewis, twelve years earlier - Different outcome?

One style is not one dimensional, ******. One dimensional is a boxer who can only do one thing, liek jab, or look for the one punch KO, the VAST majority of boxers only use one style, including Lewis, who gets killed by a prime tysaon, especially with his weak chin.

 

atschhi:

 

Wallow in ignorance. you suck more then eggs. How is it relevant, many fighters were but are still all-time greats. Irrelevant and false.

 

Tyson was not one dimensional. One dimensional means they can only do one thing. I would call David Tua one dimensional, he had a lefthook and an overhand right, and thats about it. He couldnt jab, he couldnt move did the same predictable stuff over and over. That would be one dimensional in a comparison to Tyson's type of swarming style. One dimensional means unable to adapt to other styles. Tyson proved he could do it against all styles at his best. Tyson was a master of his style as Lewis became a master of his, neither one dimensional. You cant attain what these guys attained being one dimensional.

 

The weak chin argument is lame.

You should watch some of the vid's posted on this site where Lewis is taking flush shots from Tua and others.

You simply don't get to the status of being considered an ATG if you don't have an above average chin. I'm not saying Lewis chin ranks up there with Tyson's or Ali's or anything along those lines but it's far from weak. And certainly in case of the McCall fight he was attempting to throw a punch at the same time as McCall and McCall simply beat him to the punch. But when you're doing that your not in a position to either roll with the punch or take other defensive measures to minimize it's impact and as most people know, it's the punches you don't see that do the most damage.

And if you do honestly believe Lewis has a weak chin then he must be one of the best defensive fighters ever, consider the punchers he faced. Tua, Tyson, Ruddock, Golota, Holyfield, Rahman, Bruno and Vitali can all crack and if you get right down to it, Tyson's been on the floor more often than Lewis.

 

First post of yours that I have read and I am already tired of you.

Typing in block capitals does not make something more true, and questioning a poster's knowledge over an imaginary fight is akin to calling somebody gay because they disagree with you.

Behave.

 

thats a bad way to prove your point man. lewis was koed with one punch twice. tyson never went down from one punch, excpet form a bady shot from holyfield

 

The new poster has just got on a roll of calling anything he reads that he disagrees with (Absoute Bull****) give the cat a chance.... He is obviously a big fan of the game but hasn't much inside knowledge of most of you all.. He is a massive Tyson fan , but also must realise some of us here have actually worked either with or against Mike in the past. Once the newbie realises that, he may approach the forum with a more refreshing approach...... I agree with some of what he says , Mike wasn't one dimensional, but he also was very emotionally driven in his toughest fights late in his career which for a pro at that level is as good as being one dimensional.. His mind was in turmpil when things weren't on track during the 1st Holyfield fight... Rory and John..(not Jim) Horne were not as he stated , purely King Cronies, Rory was always around Mike and was a childhood friend of Mikes who Mike had a vulnerability for.. always buying him gifts and making jobs for him (paid bag carrier) and John was an aquaintance and one time Stand up commedian.. but never a top heavyweight manager.. I saw how many of those clowns took Mike for a ride when i was in camp , extravagant birthday gifts , cars, jewellery and clothes from Versace store and eyewear for all in team from friggin Cartier shop.. Mike was too loyal and very naive.. His career was dome for when he started showing up for training when he felt like it, Giachetti was forever getting impromptu calls at 12.30 that Mike didn't want to show at 1 for sparring , and i was left to go home like all the rest.. ie.. Stan Allen, Leroy Seales, John Bray, Nate Tubbs, Calvin Jones.. Tyson never had much respect and from 96 on he was on a terrible downward slope.. In 88 he was a killer , and focused . The Newbie said .. Mike had amazing skills and in those years before Givens he was unreal.. Doubling up on the jab, feinting and hooking off that jab , and the ferocity , omg... he would have beat LL.. But after 91 only on nights like when he beat Stewart , he would have been a bit too stationary and without head motion..

Give the newbie a chance to post some decent ****, probably a very passionate fan who just needs to be a bit more polite..


God Bless..

 

Prime Tyson shatters Lennox's glass jaw in a matter of minutes. The only guys who could win against a prime Tyson are James Jeffries and Rocky Marciano. It takes a tough guy to give Tyson problems.

 

Agreed.

 

I think Rory Holloway became a King croney. He may have been Mike's childhood friend, but towards the end its impossible to think he was looking out for Tysons best interest. How could a good friend allow King to charge Tyson 30,000 for an oil change on his car. I read the book about how King created a business called MikeTyson Enterprises and everything Tyson did was run through it, meaning King took billing to everything Tyson bought, and then turned around and charged him 10 times the cost. It was dispicable that any friend would allow King to get away with it. It would be interesting to know where these guys are today. All the key components in his corner are not even anywhere near a boxing ring except Snowell. Any idea what John Horne, Rory Holloway and Jay Bright are doing now??

 

1990 Tyson vs. 1990 Lewis? Tyson would smash him. Of course, Lewis was only about 10 fights into his pro career.

1990 Tyson vs. 2002 Lewis? Tyson has a solid puncher's chance, but would get outboxed and outlasted if he can't get the knockout.

 

The Tyson that destroyed Spinks, Berbick and Holmes would have destroyed Lewis. Lewis was the best of the era, no doubt, but Tyson was a wrecking machine in his prime, with excellent stamina and power. Lewis would have KTFO in 6-8 rounds.

 

Okay so now we're down to exactly once that Lewis went down with a single shot compared to Tyson, but yet Tyson's actually suffered more KO's than Lewis. So it's a valid point. Hell even Holyfield got stopped with a body shot. But let's be clear here, I'm not saying Lewis has the chin of either Tyson or Holyfield he probably doesn't, but it's far from weak. I said probably because I have no idea how hard the shots Tua, Tyson, and Vitali landed on Lewis were.

 

Jame Jeffries fought all of 22 fights, yet you think he can trade with Tyson when a skilled giant like Lewis, Foreman and Liston can't what a ridiculous comment. Some of the guys he fought such as Fitzsimmonds weighted 167lbs Yet they went multiple rounds with him and he's all of a sudden in contention to beat Tyson.

What skills exactly does James Jeffries possess that these fighters don't have that would allow him to beat Tyson? The same question can be applied to the 187lb Marciano as well, but at least he fought better comp