Tyson V Marciano's Challengers?

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Charles would last 50 seconds with a 88tyson. If you are a small fast guy You can run from foreman or liston. Not from tyson

 

That's my opinion.

 

But You don't actually believe this, you said it was a fix remember?

 

:good yes I think Tyson should do well. But I think Charles, Walcott and Moore would give him more trouble than the guys Tyson was beating as champion.

Ok, Mike Tyson fights Walcott the night he fights Berbick. Then he fights the Walcott rematch the night Tyson really fought Smith. Then he fights lastarza the night he fights Thomas. Then Charles falls on his Tucker night. Biggs on the Charles rematch. He fights poor C0ckell with his Holmes performance then uses his form against Tubbs versus Moore.

I imagine if we take into account the Smith fight was poor and the Tucker win not that mind Blowing that leaves the Biggs, Holmes and Berbick nights as Tysons best Form.


The Thomas fight was an impressive finish but let's ask when exactly was the last time Thomas, Tubbs or Holmes actually beat a rated heavyweight each before being dug up for Tyson?

Tyson was really up for Berbick and delivered as good a win as can be recorded there...But was Berbick as much of a challenge for him as Walcott was when he came out blazing against Marciano?

I think Charles is a harder fight than Tucker and Walcott is potentially a lot harder to beat than Smith. So why would Tyson look so good against those two?

Lastarza was a current fighter when Rocky fought him unlike Thomas. On the surface Thomas is better than Lastarza but this is not the Thomas who beat Witherspoon in 1984. It is "rehab Thomas" who had not fought a rated fighter for the entire duration of Tysons career. This is a handicap for Thomas by the time he fights Tyson.

As it was Tyson had a great first round with Thomas then kind of shot his bolt. Thomas was able to neutralise Tyson until mike woke up in round 6. Some say Tyson heard the pop when Thomas dislocated his shoulder moments before and was completely defenceless throughout that famous brutal finish.

I don't think the one round of resistance Tubbs put up in Tokyo was enough of a test really. Tony already put weight on just to spite the bonus he was offered and had his trainer walk out on him in disgust before that fight. The Tubbs name sounds good until you factor in where he was at back then.

Tyrell Biggs was a good win over an unbeaten Olympian. Now that is a better win than given credit for. I cannot argue with this win but it's the only defence that matches up with a Rocky defence and even then Biggs was not #1 contender.

 

Depends on which Tyson that we're talking about? Pre or Post Prison? If it's pre prison then I would say he would run right over each one of those fighters except Charles and Walcott (maybe) just like Marciano (Perhaps not same method but end result will be ko or tko). If Post Tyson then he would be ko'd by Charles, Walcott, and Moore.

 

None of these guys would have lasted two rounds ..

 

This is a myth.

 

Exactly how many people could stretch Douglas' prime past one night and stretch Tysons prime longer than it was?

I honestly think Tyson was as good as he looked for a short period-but!- this must be measured against whom he actually fought.

Berbick, Tucker, Williams and Douglas were the only men he fought who had any real form when he fought them as champion. It is a very small window of when Tyson was both good and recording a solid win.

Everybody else was dug up out of semi retirement. Especially Tubbs, Holmes and Thomas. They offered nothing and were horribly handicapped being so inactive and years away from world class opposition.

Biggs was a good win, he ruined a good prospect there but Biggs resume was not even decent.

Bruno was inactive.

 

Tyson completely obliterates the field including Marciano.

 

How would Ezzard Charles keep Tyson off of him?

If we are talking '88 Tyson then it does not go past 3 rounds.

As great as Charles was he has nothing to avoid the inevitable.

 

He is likely to last longer than 50 seconds. Far lesser fighters lasted longer than that.
Yes, I agree, at 185 pounds and about same height/reach as Tyson, he's just too small to implement his style, although he did well to absorb Marciano's shots for 15 rounds.

 

I don't think Tony Tucker could really do anything Charles could not. Was Tucker really that physical? He boxed with Tyson. Managed to keep it to boxing.

Being under 190 does seem like suicide against Tyson but Charles was tough,fast and experienced enough to adapt to any sutuation. Charles boxed at close range meeting Rocky on the way in. He had a superb strategy and if you watch closely his inside work negated the use of strength within a clinch. Turning and using the parry counter. Tyson was no expert inside. Tyson rather lost focus becoming frustrated inside.

Tyson was more of an expert at drawing the lead, beating the guy to the punch attacking at angles on the way in with his combination punching. Once inside he really fumed until he could get his hands free. For somebody as savy as Charles it would not be rocket science to work out. Tyson was a kid after all, albeit a talented kid with an intimidating aura.

The way Tyson bought the feints that Douglas threw Mike with once Tyson finally came up against a confident seasoned challenger was something of a shock at the time... and certainly nothing Charles could not do in the pocket.