Tyson vs ATGs at Heavyweight

tyson- marciano.. tyson wins
tyson-frazier.. tyson wins (joe to slow a starter and mike a furious starter but if joe makes it past round 4 he takes the fight
tyson- dempsey.. 50/50
tyson-foreman.. 9 out of 10 wins george
tyson-holmes.. if larry where in his prime he wins 7 out of 10
tyson-lennox lewis same as against holmes
tyson of 86/87-holyfield.. tyson wins
tyon-vitali K. tyson wins
tyson-louis.. 40/60
tyson-liston..8 out of 10 sonny wins

oh and p.s. as good as mike was getting easily discouraged wasn't his only weakness..
tyson could only fight forward imo

 

tyson- marciano- MARCIANO
tyson-frazier - FRAZIER
tyson- dempsey - DEMPSEY
tyson-foreman - FOREMAN
tyson-holmes - TYSON
tyson-lennox lewis - TYSON
tyson of 86/87 - HOLYFIELD
tyon-vitali K - KLITSCKHO
tyson-louis - LOUIS
tyson-liston - TYSON

Just keeping it real. The 90s HWs are my favorite era but many of you here overrate Tyson quite a bit. Tyson was very, very good but he was far from invicible.

 

'AS you can see i rate Tyson VERY HIGH.'


You rate him WAY too high buddy.

While he had the attributes you mention and for his size was without doubt a phenom, as junior said, Tyson was crap fighting backwards, frustrated easily and in all honesty, was 1 dimensional in his attacks (right hand happy, left hook/uppercut inside)

The only guaranteed wins on your list are Frazier (early,not late) Klitschko (probably cuts/TKO) and Marciano (too small). All the others had either the size or skills to beat him convincingly.

However, if Marciano were to have fought as a modern day fighter (creatine/muscle builder etc) he would reach 210-215 with ease and THEN he'd have more than a fair chance of handing Tyson his ass. Woulda been a complete toe 2 toe classic either way.

Tyson was great but he's no ATG Heavyweight top 10.

 

Wow. Ludicrous. And Tyson was an 80's heavyweight, his prime being 86 thru 89, much like Marciano's only being 51 thru 54 or Dempsey's being only 1918 thru 21. Marciano, Louis, Frazier and Dempsey would not survive a grand total of 15 rounds combined.

 

Tyson would beat all of those fighters except Foreman, which would definitely be a great fight but I just favor Foreman ever so slightly. Lewis-Tyson might be a 50/50 and I've gone back and forth but I seem to edge with Tyson. Tyson-Liston is the next closest fights odds wise, but I favor Tyson.

Tyson vs Vitali is the next fight that would interest me the most. Not in percentages/favorites, but just in how it would turn out. A great, fun fight to watch.

 

what about a prime bowe? that was supposedly his next fight before he was demolished in Golata I

 

tyson- marciano- Tyson

tyson-frazier - Tyson (struggled with this one a bit TBH)

tyson- dempsey - 50/50

tyson-foreman - FOREMAN (Tyson's style is made to order for George)

tyson-holmes - A Prime Holmes

tyson-lennox lewis - Lennox every time

tyson of 86/87 -Holyfield - Evander but in a closer fight than the 2 that they had.

tyson-vitali K - KLITSCKHO

tyson-louis - LOUIS

tyson-liston - Liston's jab would keep Tyson at bay

Tyson, in my opinion, gets over-rated because of his explosive style and because of the aura he built up pre-Douglas. A lot of people tend to think he can just blast through most ATG HWs with no problem eventhough he lost convincingly to the two best HWs from his era that he fought and to me those losses were because his style (even in his prime) was just wrong for those guys.

 

I cannot see Big George losing to Tyson. Surely not.

 

prime george foreman woulda fuked tyson up.............

 

Tyson would knock out Marciano pretty quick, withing 2 rounds 3 tops.. Mike all wrong for him.

Tyson ko 4 Fraizer.. would be great while it lasted, but Tyson is Fraizer on steroids, and in his prime much betterdefensive... Does everything a better. Faster,Stronger,Hit harder,Defense,Even better chin... Fraizer was better at facing adversity(iguess you could say heart) but that would only help him make it to the 4th.

Tyson would destroy Dempsey, who is to small and never saw anything like Tyson.. I dont like comparing small hw from the past with modern day ones.

Foreman is all wrong for Tyson.. At first i was thinking this could be like the Fraizer fights, but i think this might be a drag out war like the Lyle fight.. George ko 5

Although i rate Holmes higher, i think style wise mike might have always been wrong for him.. I agree with you he just lastes a couple rounds longer.. THen again if he makes it past 8 and this is schedueled for 15 i can see Holmes frustrating him in the later rounds and either taking a close decision or late stoppage.

I think Tyson would probably take out Lewis early, but then again.. If Lewis makes it past 5. I can see him coming back from a rocky start and beating Mike.. But more times than not Tyson knocksout Lennox.


Evander beats even a prime Mike.. I think he always would have had his number.

I have Louis as my number 2 all time Hw.. But Mike would be out the gate faster and catch Louis early and hed finish him as soon as he got him in trouble.

Wow if Vitali holds hugs leans, jabs and takes in to the late rounds hes got a shot.. But despite the huge size disadvantage, Mike is just so much damn faster than Vitali.. Vitali takes a great shot, but can he handle Tysons money shot? Thats the million dollar question.

I can see Liston and Tyson being a wild affair with some kds scored on both ends... For as great as Listons Jab was , he tended to get wild and that might spell disaster against the lightning quick Prime Tyson... Tyson ko 5 in a war.


No ALi?? Prime Ali decisions Tyson... 70s version might do the same but im kind of iffy on that one?? Seeing as Ali had problems with short fireplug pressure guys like Mike.. But then agains i dont think Mike could press Ali for 15 rounds like Fraizer did..... I guess ill take the 70s version to come from behind and dominate the mid and later rounds and win a close decison.

 

I think they could all beat Tyson.
Tyson was an amazing fighter, but that's a hard group of ATGs to put him up against.
I'm not even sure Vitali can ever be described as an ATG, but he's definitely a difficult obstacle for Tyson, with his size and style and toughness.

Lewis was KO'd with a single punch (on a bad night) against Rahman, so I guess there's a looming doubt over him against a puncher of Tyson's quality.
Still, he has enough tools of his own to make it at least 50-50.

 

I would be of this opinion too.

 

Marciano - Tyson in 5
Frazier - Tyson early KO
Dempsey - Tyson early KO
Foreman - 5-6 round Tyson KO, better defense/faster, better footwork sees him landing the clean punches
Holmes - Tyson's style is perfect to beat, not sure if he'd stop Holmes
Lewis - could go either way, lean towards Lewis
Holyfield - could go either way depending on which version of each fighter turns up, the younger Holy wouldn't be as strong, headbutt and fight as dirty and would ship more punches. Prime Tyson is just better but he's up against it
VK - massive/height reach disadvantages for Tyson but Vitali's style of leaning back and weakness on the inside/mid range is perfect for Tyson at that range, lean to Tyson
Louis - Tyson is just more skilled, faster, more explosive, better defense so he wins here
Liston - Liston's way too slow and gets ko'd