Tyson vs ATGs at Heavyweight

As big of a self hating white fighter nuthugger that I am, I'm going to have to say Tyson at his best beats Vitali. I don't think Vitali has the punch to hold him off. And Vitali is no ATG.

Win or lose, Tyson will hang with the all time greats because he is one himself. End of thread.

 

Marciano - Tyson in 4
Frazier - Tyson early KO
Dempsey - Tyson early KO
Foreman - Foreman K.O 5 far physically stronger and would keep it to his own range, the speed difference could be interesting though.
Holmes - Lean towards Holmes but i could see either winning. Holmes good movement, jab, height, but was open to right hands and i could see Mike slipping the jab and landing.
Lewis - could go either way, slightly favor Lewis. Had the physical strength and approach to negate Tyson but by the time he had perfected that style he was slower due to the extra weight, that could see him eating combo's before he established himself, which won't end well.
Holyfield - I would favor Tyson but he would have to be disciplined.
VK - Toss up, Mike speed blitz's him early or gets dragged in to deep water broken down and stopped.
Liston - Lean quite heavily towards Tyson K.O, Liston was really slow. He had power and a good jab and if he set a trap and landed he could have Mike in trouble.
Louis - Tyson K.O, The difference in movement speed would be the difference here, Louis needed to set himself, Tyson would stop him early.

 

probably the biggest bunch of **** that i did read ever.

 

obviously

 

Frazier would beat the crap out of Tyson, and I dread to think what Foreman would do to him.
Foreman's style and strengths make him murderous against Tyson.
George would just shove Tyson backwards and bomb him with uppercuts, like he did with Frazier but even worse.

 

OMG Xpert post m8. :thumbsup Tyson gets RAPED by both - IT A FACT! :deal

Frazier VS Tyson would be IMO like Frazier VS Quarry 1, BUT Tyson would gass due to Glass Lungs And get suffocated on teh inside cos he can only slug at mid-range.

Foreman VS Tyson would be 99% like Foreman VS Frazier 1. BUT Tyson is weaker then Frazier And v.much EASIER to hit with uppercuts, cos his headmovement is lots worse - Frazier had random faster headmovement - Tyson headmovement was slower And predictable with a pattern what could be Learned And timed like Douglas did EASY. Foreman KO1 Tyson, cos he get pushed back EASIER And hit with uppercuts EASIER like fish in barrel. Frazier had a BETTER chin too IMO, so Tyson get dropped QUICKER. And he would NOT get up 6 times like Frazier, he stay down teh 1ST time.

Foreman Hoooooooooook!! :rasta:rasta:rasta

 

Another weakness that Tyson had was that while he was excellent at mid-range fighting,he was n't nearly as good as Joe Frazier,for one,at infighting. Obviously because of his comparatively short height,and reach,he wasi ineffective at LONG range.

 

Yeah, Tyson would be easier for Foreman because he he's got bad footwork and balance too.
Frazier was easy to push back but Frazier actually had GOOD stance, so I imagine with Tyson's square-on stance and muddle feet he'd get pushed all over the ring.
And, yes, Tyson wouldn't have the mentality to get up six times like Frazier.

Tyson just has a 'puncher's chance', a small chance to land a perfect punch on Foreman's chin - and George could leave himself open at times. But it's a long-shot.

Frazier v Tyson would be a good fight, a nice exciting action fight. I think Frazier would win in about 6 rounds. The longer it goes the more Tyson gets damaged.

 

I'm not convinced that a 70's George would beat an 88 Tyson every time out. George is, was and will forever be glacially slow and needing to be set to throw his punches, something Tyson's blitzkreig combo's could upset. I know that Frazier is the comparison folks like to draw for this match-up but Frazier was not near as strong as Tyson, nor did he punch as hard or in the combinations that Tyson punched. And frankly Frazier was on the downside by the time Foreman got to him. Primes for that style of fighter are mercilessly short, Frazier's being somewhere around 67-71.

Furthermore, I know that in the rose-tinted, coke booger reminiscence of the 1970's that George is some Hercules, big as a mountain, wide as the Nile... However, in his best performances he was a solid 220... the same weight as Tyson, who was also rock-solid. Granted, George possessed enormous strength (tho Tyson did, too). However, if a limited, late-comer like Lyle can challenge him (not to mention a very incomplete fighter like Young completely discourage him), then Tyson could definitely rattle his confidence. Remember, Foreman patterned himself after Liston, and for all your memories of the stern, formidable Foreman, he was, like Liston and Tyson, a bully who did not like to be bullied. Which bully flinches first?

 

XPERTASTIC POST - UNforgiven is a Boxing Xpert-GOD among dumb mortals. :happy:happy:happy

Midget Mikey had **** mythical strength what he NEVER showed, bumbling barman balance And dumb defensivily-open square-on stance


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teh fight PRIME Tyson had with Bummy BUMcNeeley Bum is PROOF that Foreman would Push, Throw, Manhandle And Shove Tinkerbell Tyson about like a 100lb barely-legal teen cumslut. :yep:yep:deal

Tyson has bloody NO puncher's chance VS Foreman IMO. Foreman had a 100% IRON chin And ONLY got stopped when V.gassed. Tyson has WORSE stamina so he would Gass 1St every time - not that he ever last long enough to gass, even if they fight 10 times lol.

Frazier KO Tyson in 6 Rounds sound v.realestic. Glass Lung Tyson have crappy 5 Round stamina, so Joey F KTFO him in Round 6.


Foreman Hoooooooooook!!!:smoke:rasta:hat

 

Tyson vs Ali = Ali UD
Tyson vs Louis = Tyson KO
Tyson vs Marciano = Tyson KO
Tyson vs Holmes = Holmes UD
Tyson vs Lewis = Tyson KO
Tyson vs Holyfield = Tyson TKO or Holyfield UD
Tyson vs Johnson = Tyson KO
Tyson vs Dempsey = Tyson KO
Tyson vs Bowe = Tyson TKO or Bowe UD
Tyson vs either Klitschko = Tyson KO
Tyson vs Foreman = either by KO
Tyson vs Frazier = Tyson TKO
Tyson vs Charles = Tyson KO
Tyson vs Walcott = Tyson KO
Tyson vs Liston = Tyson TKO
Tyson vs Jeffries = Tyson KO
Tyson vs Sullivan = Tyson KO
Tyson vs Patterson = Tyson KO
Tyson vs Ingo = Tyson KO
Tyson vs Schmeling = Tyson KO
Tyson vs Tunney = Tyson KO

 

I think Frazier was just as strong as Tyson, in boxing terms, and very posssibly stronger.
Tyson was clinched and walked backwards by some fairly average heavyweights at times.
Frazier was only ever out-strengthed by Foreman. Frazier even bulled Chuvalo around, and looked equal with Bonavena for 25 rounds.

Tyson's superior strength is a myth, you probably dreamt up from giving them your homo-erotic bodybuilder's "eye test". :deal

 

Why do people keep saying if Marciano fought today he would weigh 230 pounds? His frame couldnt take it and that is why he fought at the weight he did. That is like saying if Frazier fought today he would be 6'5 250. Marciano was a cruiserweight and if fought doay he would of been of a cruiserweight.

Tyson would of blown away Marciano, Dempsey and any other 180 pound fighter. Lennox Lewis, George Foreman, Ali, Frazier, would of all beat him. Vitali would of been stopped and so would Wlad. Louis had a glass chin and would of been stopped, Holmes would of most likely won.

 

Anecdotes of Tyson walking into a gym at 14 and benching 250 while Frazier couldn't put up 120 in a military press give some relevant test of strength... As far as boxing strength, Frazier surely had more stamina, and thus perhaps late fight strength. Too bad, he didn't get late in the fight with Foreman.

And yes, I am gay. Do you have a ****ing problem with it?

 

Those weights lifted are irrelevant ..... for example, I'm sure George Chuvalo was lifting some big weights when he was a teenager too, (and I've heard he was still throwing around some big dumbells well into his 60s too).
Boxing-specific strength is different to how much you can bench or military press. Completely different.

Only when it affects your otherwise good judgment of the fighters in question.