Tyson vs Douglass II

The other issue I always saw was something Tyson would have done in the rematch that never was====I think he comes out bombing. Looking for quick revenge and throwing nothing but bombs early. And guess who is tired after 4 rounds with 8 more to go?

I'd like his chances a lot better if he would take a page out of the Holmes fight and be disciplined early and not load up. Just wait for his opponent to slow down. Go in with the mindset of a ko between rounds 5 and 8. Be a bricklayer

But I sure don't think Tyson does that. He tries to get rid of Buster early==when Douglas has his legs. A systematic approach I think would get the job done but I just don't see Tyson with that discipline.

 

I respect your opinion. But a more focused version of Mike who'd trained properly, would have been fitter and had more stamina etc. He wouldn't have just been gambling on landing his power. He'd have surely studied the first fight and gone in there with a proper strategy instead of just fighting on instinct after his tank had emptied.

Buster may have been more motivated for a rematch than what he was against Evander, but in my honest opinion, he'd never have had that same will of iron that he had in Tokyo.

 

We know Mike just turned up for the pay day and didn't train.

How could it not depend on Mike?

A motivated version of Mike would have been a completely different opponent for Buster.

 

LOL, the proof is in the pudding......Buster was the right man at the right time motivated to the Hill with family troubles vs Tyson who believed training with Ho's is the right way to approach a fight.......in a prison interview Tyson stated that he was amazed that he made it to the buster fight......he claimed after spinks he did not give two shids, hardly trained aka Williams/Bruno should have gotten to him before.

Buster Douglas never ever performed even remotely like in the Tyson fight., before or after. Full fact.

Rematch happens and Holy Douglas shows up, guaranteed............gets knocked out in two rounds max and retires.........he knew it, his team knew it, everybody knew it ....MIke Tyson was still the best Heavy in the world at that time despite the loss and Evander Holyfield , at that time, was considered a light punching up mover from Cruiser and was om paper a significantly less risky than Tyson......so his team decided to con Steve Wyn out of 30 mil with a farce of a fight.

 

What do you think would have happened had Mike fought Evander in 1992?

 

He did not clinch.....he did not head butt......he brawled toe to toe......he barely got away with it against Cooper and a green Bowe knocked the stuffing out of him while brawling non stop.

I take Tyson in a slug fest with Tyson's body shots doing the most damage until Evanders head falls.

 

Because we got to see how a motivated Mike fought against Razor Ruddock and he was very beatable.

Talking of improving for the rematch, Mike struggled more in his rematch with Ruddock and was on the verge of going at one point.

I'll say it again, it all depends on Douglas. If he comes in the ring in shape he stops Tyson again.

 

I will be honest with you. Sometimes I think a rematch should take place after the loser has a few fights to work on what he made a mistake on and to get his confidence back. Going right into a fight could be a mistake. Immediate rematches after a loss makes me nervous. You need time to practice how to fix the mistake and to get confidence. Like McGirt vs.Warren.

 

I think that Tyson would have been motivated, and I also think that Douglas would have lost motivation.

Tyson would also have thought out his strategy better.

Put all of this together, and the result is probably reversed.

 

Fights against Ruddock were very different stylistically.

Yes, Mike was beatable. But when he fought Buster in Tokyo, he ran out of gas and ended up just trying to land a huge shot. There was also the controversy with the count.

We can't just assume that a motivated Buster would definitely have won, when Mike came close to stopping him when he was gassed with no strategy, from being ill prepared and unmotivated.

It wouldn't have depended all on Buster Douglas.

Mike was embarrassed by the loss. If he'd have signed for the rematch, he'd have entered the ring in much better shape, both physically and mentally.

 

He tired early in Tokyo because he was out of shape. He trained to lose weight, but he didn't train properly for his opponent.

He looked sloppy against Page in sparring, and I don't believe he did his normal roadwork routine etc.

He'd have been much fitter had he would have prepared properly.

 

That they were but Tyson was still coming in straight ahead with little head movement, Douglas would have still jabbed his head off and peppered him with combinations.

You fail to mention that Douglas dominated Tyson from the offset, not just after he tired.

Like I said, I focused and determined Tyson fought Ruddock twice and looked very beatable. If Douglas turns up he flattens Tyson again.

 

I respect your opinion but I don't agree.

He came out not resembling the fighter he'd once been, because he was ill prepared and unmotivated.

He had no strategy.

He knew that he didn't have a full tank.

He was just going through the motions.

I think the versions of Mike who fought Ruddock would have beaten him. And I think the versions of Mike who fought Spinks and Holmes would have beaten him without doubt.