Tyson vs Holyfield 1, Holyfield should have been disqualified (Not because of headbutts)

Mike when he fought Holyfield the 2nd time,he would have lost regardless. He just had the wrong gameplan and he couldn't win this way. In the 3rd round of Fight 2,he did go back to the Fight 1 gameplan, which is why he started winning, and which is why Evander went back to the reason why he should have been disqualified in Fight 1.

I don't understand how incompetent Mitch Halpern was in the 1st fight, it has nothing to do with the headbutting. It's just that Evander held like 10 times in the first round,and it was ALWAYS when Mike landed anything of substance, when he ,Evander was landing, he had no problem to just stand and actually fight. I feel like he held so much during this fight that he should have been disqualified or atleast have points taken away where he would stop the constant holding.

I don't know if anyone here agrees, but this is what I think was the reason why Mike Lost the 1st fight, the 2nd fight, he would have lost because the headbutting would have lead to the ear bite and his gameplan was wrong.

 

There is a difference as Ali actually didn't just hold the guy IMMIDIATLY after he got hit. He got hit by George for instance in Zaire plenty, and he did tie him up, but literally EVERY SINGLE punch Mike landed on evander lead to a clinch.

 

Did I not just say he would lose the 2nd fight? Mike's biggest problem was that he wasn't an inside fighter. So there Evander could have beaten him that way.
If Evander fought Mike in his prime, and he was allowed to do the same tactic he did in fight 1, Evander would have won, because Mike can't fight that way. My problem is that , I don't think Evander would have beaten Mike the 1st time if Evander was penalized for the holding. You can literally look at the fight and see Evander be very brave and being a warrior when he gets to land punch after punch on Mike, but the second mike lands 1 shot, he literally just holds on for dear life and just keeps doing it until he hurts Mike, which Mike even in the round where he was getting beat up in the 10th, he did not do this. After like 10 unanswered punches. Evander takes 1 hit and he holds on for dear life.

It's like, why are you not being disqualitifed for this?

 

I do feel like there was major bias when it came to the refs in these fights. Because I have seen other fights were Mike would headbutt someone by accident, recently I saw him fight Tucker, and Mike ( Ibelieve it was teh 9th round) was going in fro a left hook,and you can see Mike's glove is in between him and tucker's face, and Tucker rushes forward crashing into Mike, and Mills Lane gives Mike the **** for that.

Mike did dumb **** too, forearms and elbows. But I guarantee you, that the way that Evander headbutts, Even just being done gently hurts like a mother****er

 

And no,if Evander was not holding, he wouldn't just "adjust" because that was literally the entire gameplan.

 

I have never stated that Mike was an infighter, he was not,he needed you to go backwards so he could load up, that is why he looked so damn akward when they got close, which is why Frazier knocks him out( Marvis was not in the same League as Joe). I know this probably is a bad example because it is post prison, but look at his fight with That Mathis or whatever his name was, that was akward as hell. Or I think Tubbs where it just looked real weird. If you watched Mike's fights, you constantly hear Kevin screaming at the top of his lungs "PUNCH OUT!" "PUNCH OUT!"

I'll try to break down the clinches:

12:22 – Evander is holding on for dear life here. Mike literally has to push him off as he is holding both his hands here. There is a headbutt here btw, I’m not gonna point it out every time,but I think it is interesting. Holyfield’s Clinch


12:34 – I don’t really call this a clinch as it is an akward situation. Of both throwing punches and pushing off, if you want to say this is a clinch then fine.


12:39 – This is what you are gonna see as a trend. Evander punches Mike (this was not a punch that landed of any significance) and then he holds on. He is the one that has his hand around Mike’s arm and head. Holyfield’s clinch


12:46. Evander clinches here. It is an akward situation,but it is a clinch I’d say. Also Evander low blows Mike as mitch Halpern goes behind him. And it doesn’t really mean much because I have to question Mitch Halpern, but he even says “let go Evander”(he have also said let go man but the word ends with ‘der so I assume he said Evander). Holyfield Clinches


Before we get to this next one, I want you to look at 12.58-13.00, if Mike really initiates nearly all these clinches or all of them are mutual as you suggest. Mike is getting hit A LOT here,why is he not clinching here? This is what I’m talking about and it is not helping your argument


13:02. This is Evander again. Headbutt too. Holyfield clinches.



13:18 Evander is the one that is Clinching here, he is diving into it too. Holyfield clinches


13:31 – Mike landed a punch,and evander clinched, . Holyfield clinches.


13:45. This is an akward situation again, yes evander grabbed his arm, but I don’t want to call this a clinch because it wasn’t to me.


13:57. Evander gets hit with a right, and clinched holding onto his head. Holyfield clinches.


14:05. This one is on Mike. Tyson Clinches


Before we get to this next one, you will again see something that doesn’t help your argument. 14:11-14:21 Evander is beating the **** out of Mike here, and Mike just takes it. This is a perfect opportunity to clinch him, yet all he does is just stand there and take every punch to the head. How exactly is Mike the clincher here when he is getting beat up and he just stands there and takes it?


14:25. Evander clinches after Mike lands a right, it was a weak punch as he held his hand out, but he did land and Evander IMMIDIATLY clinches. Holyfield clinches


14:33. This is Mike’s fault, you literally see him wrap his arms around Evander. Tyson clinches


14.46 – Mike Lands a punch, Evnader wraps his hands around his head. Holyfield Clinches.


14:53. This I will say is Mike’s fault. Tyson Clinches


15:05. Evander wraps his arm around Mike’s left arm. Holyfield clinches.



So this is 10-3. Also it doesn’t help Evander’s case that Mike literally takes punches instead of clinching so there is that too isn’t it? Mike lands 1 punch and Evander holds. Evander unleashes 10 and Mike doesn’t. I actually wanna go and look at round 2 and 3 now. This is kind of fun.