Tyson Vs Holyfield - December 1989?

I've never heard that. Tyson was always very brutal on his sparring partners. It was actually a pretty big deal when it came out that both Page and McCall got the better of him at the time.
Tyson to this day is a media magnet and yes he was spectacular at one point in his career but it was the Steel tempered Holy that proved to be the greater fighter when all was said and done. No he didnt have Tysons power or speed but he had more determination more heart more discipline and an Iron will. Those factors are what beat Tyson and will always beat Tyson. Like I said earlier he'll always be Tysons Daddy. Doesnt matter if its 89 or not Holy breaks him down and takes his heart

 

That one can be debunked straightaway. The reason Glenn went over a hundred rounds sparring with prime Tyson was that he was used for distance work. McCall et al had to do the hard miles...

 

But if that was his only sin, getting hit by a jab before smoking a man who outjabbed Larry Holmes(!) & had a 14" wingspan advantage over Tyson...That is nothing.
It was not even remotely a tough fight-you can take almost any HW ATG & find much worse performances around their prime.

I agree completely with Sawhound (except I do not know if Holyfield 'roided at all when he was under 210 lbs...

Tyson would have been much more motivated against Holyfield.
Holyfield was not nearly invincible looking then.
Even if he did not foolishly try to trade, he simply was not strong enough to execute his mid-90's strategy.
And Tyson was better in '89 than years later when they actually fought.

 

We disagree, see my recent post, but I much respect your opinion Richard.
But I must point out that before Douglas Tyson for all the distractions still was ferocious, more dominant in his fights than Holyfield...

And before he put on at least 10 lbs. of pure muscle-that almost certainly came in part from steroids-Tyson was stronger.

 

We can agree to disagree my friend, I view Mike Tyson from s Psychological standpoint, not a physical one, but he was a mental robot. When Angelo Dundee abandoned Muhammad Ali on July 26 1971, in the Jimmy Ellis fight, he did not fall apart, Ali instead retained the services of Harry Wiley, to help him prepare. Mike getting rid of Krvin Rooney should have not had any effect on him, he was a professional. Seasoned fighters can figure out what to do in the ring. I agree Tyson putting those extra 10 lbs did help. But if a fighter loses, he lost to the better man. I cannot make excuses for anybody, favorite or not, if they lost fair and square, so be it. Many say Tyson was a murderous puncher, true. But Mike not preparing is his own fault, staying out late with the Japanese street walkers before the Douglas fight is his own fault. Experienced fighters know that they have to abstain from intimacy before a fight. I also respect your opinion, but I am not in the excuses business as unpopular as it sounds. I think the world of Ali, but when he lost to Ken Norton on March 31 1973, I accepted that loss, but I did say, he needs to prepare better next time, even though my classmates in the Junior High were trying their hardest to get my goad. i made no excuses for him, later when I was an athlete in my freshman year, I always behaved with good sportsmanship, win or lose. It's just that other posters will not let Tyson lose peacefully.