Tyson vs Louis.

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  1. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    The first thing people will say is that Louis is too small. That's simply not true. Only 10 lbs. separate them at best. Tyson comes in around 215 and Louis would be about 205. That's virtually no difference with heavyweights.

    Power: Tyson has a slight edge in Power, though Louis makes better use of his Power.

    Chin: Tyson also takes a better punch. Louis has been dropped 10 times and NONE of the men who dropped him can punch as hard as Razor Ruddock, who hit Tyson many times but never dropped him. Tyson has been stopped 6 times but ALL were due to poor Stamina and Conditioning, not a weak Chin.

    Speed: Tyson has a slight edge in Hand Speed.

    Defense: Both are rather clumbsy and have bad Balance. Louis' is a bit better but an aggressive fighter can often throw Louis off. He's never been hit as hard as Tyson would hit him. Tyson doesn't Block punches. He avoids them early and simply Takes them late. Louis is a master at Blocking and Parrying.

    Louis' best chance to win is to get past the early rounds and keep Tyson busy enough to spend his energy. Tyson will certainly hurt Louis in the early rounds. Louis lacks the Footwork to escape. HIs defense is good but Tyson's speed gets him inside.

    Stamina and Conditioning would have to go to Louis.

    Round 1: Tyson storms out, rushes Louis and drops him within the first 30 seconds with a solid right. Louis is up, shaken, but pulls himself together. Tyson rushes in again but Louis wisely ties him up. Tyson lands inside to the body and a few to the chin. He shakes Louis again before the bell.

    Round 2: Louis is working the jab but Tyson rushes through it and lands another solid left. Another right puts Louis down again. He's up, composed and ties Tyson up coming in. He now realizes he has to pick his shots and whether the storm. Blackburn didn't envision the knockdowns but he knew Louis would have to take Tyson past the early rounds. Round 3 is the same, minus a knockdown, and Round 4 sees Louis working the jab with a bit more success.

    Round 5. Tyson is still well in control of the fight but his punches still come wide. Louis is having more success timing Tyson's punches. Tyson has that wide left hook which actually works well against those with poor defense or who are afraid. It doesn't work well against those with good defense. Louis blocks the left hook, lands his own, followed by a perfect right cross. It shakes Tyson but he doesn't back up. Instead, he rushes forward, misses a wild left hook and catches one on the chin. Again, he doesn't fall. Louis' round.

    Round 6: Louis is working the jab better and having more success with combinations. Tyson goes to the body and hurts Louis but he's beginning to throw one punch at a time. The furious pace has taken a marked effect on his energy. Louis lands a solid right to the temple before the bell. Tyson stumbles but remains upright.

    Round 7: Louis is circling to his left. He's not much of a mover but he's very smart in the ring. Not many can adjust to styles as well as he can. Tyson has only one gear, esp. after the early rounds. He comes forward. This makes it easier for Louis to chose his shots well and it's his best round. He doesn't seriously hurt Tyson but nearly all his head shots land. He's planting his feet a bit better to get more power from his punches. He's also intelligent enough to know he can't take Tyson out with one shot. No one can. But he can chip away at the armor.

    Round 8: Tyson rushes in and is tied up. Louis pushes him off and lands a solid right to the chin. Tyson is knocked off balance, not seriously hurt but visibly tiring. Louis pins Tyson to the ropes and lands his best combination of the fight. ---Inside: right-right-left-right.---

    Tyson's catching hell but making liars of everyone who says he has no heart. That has never been true. Tyson fires back with a hook, grazes Louis, moves inside and lands his trademark: hook to body-head. Louis backs off but rights himself for Tyson's rush. He lands a right inside, ties Tyson up and lands another left-right-right before the bell.

    Round 9: Tyson has shot his load but he doesn't give up. His punches are coming one at a time but Louis has become more aggressive, knowing that Tyson is more vulnerable. Left-left-right---Tyson backs to the ropes. He's taking a lot of punches, throwing few in return and missing more than half of them. Louis is picking his shots well and his accuracy is near perfect. --Tyson is once again on the ropes. ---right, right, left-- Tyson staggers to the other side of the ring. Louis moves in at the bell.

    Round 10: Blackburn orders Louis to "Finish him". Joe moves in, jab--jab--RIGHT!. Tyson backs up. Against the ropes, he's still swinging but not often and missing most. Louis lands a hook. Tyson is back to the ropes again. Inside: right-right-left-right. Tyson moves to a corner and Louis follows and lands another series of punches and the ref waves it off.
     
  2. Xplosive

    Xplosive Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Tyson would blast Louis out within 6.
     
  3. Unforgiven

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    This thread has been done before and to my surprise Tyson was overwhelmingly favoured to beat Louis, even by many people who rate Louis very highly.

    My own opinion: I think Joe Louis had all the tools and qualities, and the style, to box Tyson into oblivion and knock him out.
    Tyson has a puncher's chance.
     
  4. tommytheduke

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  5. Foxy 01

    Foxy 01 Boxing Junkie banned

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    If that was even remotely true, how come Tyson kept walking forwards for ten rounds to continually get punched by Douglas. If his stamina and conditioning was no good he would have been unable to move at all, nor throw any punches back.
     
  6. Hookandjab

    Hookandjab Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Louis by KO in two rounds.
     
  7. Unforgiven

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    I don't think so.
    I agree Tyson would be dangerous early on, as ever.
    But Louis should be able to pick Tyson apart inside 4 rounds too. Tyson would put the pressure on and come straight at Louis.
    Louis doesn't have to go looking for him, and responds with better boxing and better punching.
    Tyson would fall apart after tasting Louis's response a couple of times.
     
  8. dpw417

    dpw417 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Louis is rightfully recognized as the greater heavyweight...but H2H I think Tyson from his first championship run would win...
     
  9. RockyJim

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  11. zadfrak

    zadfrak Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Louis.

    I don't think Tyson handles the accuracy and I'm not telegraphing my punches Joe Louis. Whole different ballgame than the guys Tyson fought that always telegraphed their intentions.

    And Mike can be countered and here's a guy with ko power in both hands and highly accurate. I also think that D'Amato style would work horribly against a Blackburn. Jack would have his guy knowing everything Tyson was going to throw and be able to predict it before it's launched.

    Biggest discrepency anyway is the corners. Tyson would be facing one of the best the sport has ever seen and I think pre-fight preperations are way too much for Team Tyson to overcome.
     
  12. rex11y

    rex11y Active Member Full Member

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    Louis would out-box and knock Tyson out. Tyson would have a punchers chance.
     
  13. janitor

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    "Even today it is hard to imagine anybody beating him, including Muhammad Ali".

    Michael Gerard Tyson
     
  14. dinovelvet

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    Louis hasn't a prayer against prime Mike Tyson.

    He doesn't have the feet to keep him off him. Horrible match up for Joe. People should know better.
     
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  15. janitor

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    Does Tyson have the feet to keep Louis off him?