Tyson vs Marciano in their respective primes

Disagree completely.

Tyson doesnt become lesser when he gets hit hard. See the Ruddock fights; Fight 1 round 6 towards the end Tyson took a couple of clean blows from Razor and what does he do he taps his chin like "give me more."

Tyson would never get frustrated in a fight where he is landing consistently, only in a fight where Tyson cannot land would he grow frustrated. And even then his frustrations were generally contained. Against Marciano, he'd land plenty and because Marciano doesnt offer any stylistic advantage to Tyson, he must be the underdog in this affair.

IF Tyson knocks down Rocky 3 or 4 times, given Tyson's accuracy, power and speed the best Marciano can hope for is a mercy stoppage.

 

Sardu, I can understand your wanting to leave two fighters from different eras as they were. That is the obvious and easiest thing to do. I don't know if it is logical but, don't you think that it is unfair? That is, unfair to the fighter from the earlier era. I mean one guy gets the advantages of all modern advances and the other guy has to do without it. People doesn't appreciate what drugs can do. Would you consider a 100 mts. race between a juiced athlete and a natural athlete to be fair?

I have written about this particular issue in various posts of mine. I think the answer might be that we should specify whether we are talking about fighters as they were or how they would be under the same set of facilities. That would be fairer. As for being hypothetical, isn't any discussion about a bout between between fighters from different eras hypothetical? If we can attempt to imagine how the skills and abilities of the combatants would be put into practice to determine the result, we can surely imagine how a person would respond to drugs and supplements as well as nutritional and training advances.

Best regards.

 

You sound like the idiot in this thread, so don't try to rag on other people for their supposed lack of knowledge by your standards.

Your ignorance regarding Tyson is laughable. I thought we'd gotten rid off all those myths. I suppose you think "All you have to do is stand up to Tyson and he'll crumble!" as well.

Watch a prime, late 80's, trained by Rooney, Mike Tyson please, not the latter version.

 

a prime tyson from 87-89(right before douglas) was amazing

just awe inspiring....then it all went downhill

 

At age 24, I still dont buy the Tyson was shot at 24 thing.

 

He wasn't shot physically, but Rooney's style is what made him most effective, especially against the bigger, taller jabbers he later had problems with when he resorted to becoming primarily a brawler. After Rooney left, Tyson became a less methodical head-hunter. Still a force, but beatable. In his prime, possibly still beatable, but not nearly as simple choosing a particular style to do it.

 

no, he didnt, his defense was offense, thats why he was outboxed and battered on more then one occasion. Tyson all night long.

 

Tyson by KO. He is bigger, stronger, hits harder, has faster feet, and faster hands. Marciano has the edge in stamina but I dont think that matters here as the fight will be done before stamina plays a role. A good fight, but Marciano gets outgunned.

 

Well, I meant that Tyson becomes a lesser fighter when a guy's beating up on him. He never once turned a really tough fight around (oh, maybe Botha, but Botha was not good, and nor was Tyson then).
Tyson was a bit of a front runner.

He should have finished Ruddock off early. I dont see why that's used as such a good win for him. Tyson had the upper hand throughout that fight, he didn't have to come from behind, and he let Ruddock off the hook on more than one occasion. Sure, Tyson could take a punch, but Ruddock was throwing one or two at a time and not more. Ruddock failed to live up to his hype at the top level.
Lewis crushed Ruddock.

I disagree that Marciano is at a "stylistic disadvantage" and I dont think he'd be getting hit cleanly much. It's about range and angles.
Tyson was perfect at bowling over tall stand-up fighters like Holmes, Ruddock, Carl Williams. Guys that gave him the space to weave forward and explode from mid-range. His style isn't right for low-crouching guy like Marciano, who will crowd him and fight dirty and unorthodox.

Tyson's lateral headmovement, the way he slipped punches by bending his upper body from side-to-side while coming forward like a spring, and exploding, was EXCELLENT against orthodox, upright, rangy boxers, and if they retreated straight back he murders them every time. But it's gonna be mostly redundant against a guy like Marciano, who'd be on Tyson's chest, flinging elbows in his face, and sending punches in from odd angles.Marciano would break Tyson's rhythm by crowding him. Tyson doesn't like it messy and too close. His feet are too square on the inside and he doesn't cope too well with headbutts, despite using them against taller opponents on many occasions.

I think Marciano beats him up. It wont look pretty, and he'll have to take some shots, but I think Marciano would beat him down.

That's just my opinion.