Tyson vs. Marciano: The myth of "intagibles"

Nobody would compare Holyfields power to that of Marciano and probably not to Walcott or Moore either. Roids notwithstanding.

 

Well its only fair to give Rocky the shot I suppose.

 

If either of these fought Tyson I'm pretty sure they'd be advised to be on some extra poundage. And Tyson's chin was very stellar early on in fights, of course Rocky would be dangerous late, but probably be mashed beforehand. Tyson would have been undefeated if he'd retired after his 6th defence too y'know.

 

Nothing. He couldn't. Plain and simple.

 

I find it hard to believe that I have spent so much time arguing about a match up that I have not even made a pick on.

My criticism of those who pick an easy win for Tyson is that they are asuming an early blowout of a fighter who was never knocked out or even put in serious trouble.

You simply cannot make that kind of asumption even if the fighter in question was a middleweight. You need to look at a scenario B, C and D.

 

He would not have done worse in four fights than losing all four.

Seriously, without modern "supplements", Holyfield would probably have been in the 180's or 190's and I think Marciano certainly might have beaten him.

 

Sadly I am verticaly challenged if built.

The good big un beating a good little un is OK as a guideline but you should not use it to conclude a fantasy fight without indepth analysis.

It has been proved wrong on enough ocasions to prove the rule.

 

So, if a fighter was never knocked out I can't ever summise that he would never be even if he fought one of the best hitters of all-time who just happened to be very quick and 30 pounds heavier. So, in a nushell what you're saying is because Marciano never lost we can't pick against him, unless it's on points.

 

I knew it. I used to have a skinny little mate who was obsessed with believing that Bruce Lee was the hardest man ever- as though it was something he could achieve or aspire to. Maybe it is, but still...

Of course, you're right. But still, it's been proved true on far more ocassions though. Put it this way, I'd rather fight a 155Ib version of me than the 215Ib version any day. :good

 

No I am saying that you cannot asume that he will be knocked out, especialy not in under 3 rounds or some similar distence.

You have to look at possible scenarios where he gets blown out early, lasts to the middle rounds and even goes to the score cards.

You also have to ask how Tyson will respond in each scenario.

 

Yes but ocasionaly you get some little f***er like Mickey Walker who has not read the book.