Tyson vs. Marciano: The myth of "intagibles"

My opinion of the fight is it starts fast,give and take but Marciano hurting Mike and Mike taking the count in round 4...Like the Danny williams stppage...Marciano KO 4

 

Screw Mike Tyson, BD! I wanna know how much Craig Payne weighed! (Say, isn't he sumo wrestling in Japan these days?)

 

LOL

 

I couldn't read through all 20 pages of people nutting themselves over Tyson. All I'll say is this:

I've found that Tyson lovers in general, don't know much about the great punchers who came before him. Marciano hit like a ****ing truck. Ali sparred with him after he was retired and said the same thing.

Marciano was phenominally conditioned. You don't knockout legends with one punch in rounds that don't exist anymore if you're not.

Marciano was not slow. People who don't understand boxing think that his style reveals a lack of speed and telegraphs his punches. However, if you really study his film you'll see that his slow leaning and swaying not only helped his power, but created crucial openings through deception and kept 'faster' fighters off-balance. Watch one of his fights and see if you can tell when he's going to throw to the head or the body

I won't dispute that Tyson had a great punch, but think about who was around the heavyweight division when he was in his prime. He never beat anyone great except for Michael Spinks, who was less of a natural heavyweight than Holyfield or Moorer and was not known for his punching power.

Giving Tyson an automatic theory win over a great fighter like Marciano is a whole new level of idiocy. Tyson never fought anyone close to Rocky's caliber.

 

We are all aware of Marciano's punching power. However, we have to be realistic here. Rocky's best opponent was a blown-up lightheavy in Charles who was past his prime, a far cry from a peak Mike Tyson. Tyson's physical gifts would be just too much for Rocky. Rocky barely got past Walcott, who's power is clearly inferior to Tyson, and probably handspeed as well, so Rocky's best bet is to make it to the later rounds. But with Tyson's accuracy, pressure and pin-point punches, topped off by a 30lb. weight advantage, the chance of that is very slim. Tyson would be heavily favored here.:good

 

He's not ahead in power, stamina, heart, chin, or 1 punch KO power. Marciano is pretty close to the top there. Mainly in power, heart, 1 punch KO power, and stamina.

 

I'm sorry, but Tyson lost to the first guy who fought back. He wasn't that gifted. He had scary power and that's about it. Spinks wasn't big enough and the others were bums who were just intimidated.

He never fought a big puncher and his style certainly doesn't make him hard to hit. Even if I were to concede that Marciano couldn't handle Tyson's first good punch (which I don't), that still makes the fight a coinflip.

 

If Tyson was so ****ing invincible, why couldn't he knock out Buster Douglas? Holyfield did it in one punch in the 3rd round.

If you wanna make the bull**** argument that Tyson wasn't in his mental prime that fight, go right ahead. The fact is that Douglas was just the first moderately-talented, hungry guy to stand and fight back.

Tyson was a one-dimensional puncher with no willpower.

 

We are all aware of Tyson's punching power. However, we have to be realistic here. Mike's best win was against a blown-up lightheavy in Michael Spinks who was past his prime, a far cry from a peak Marciano. Marciano's heart and conditioning would be just too much for Tyson. Tyson couldn't get past Buster Douglas, who's power is clearly inferior to Marciano's, determination and stamina as well, so Mike's only chance is to win in the first round. But with Rock's chin, pressure and power, topped off by superior in-fighting skills, the chance of that is very slim. Rocky should be heavily favored here.

I am always reading about how Marciano would have to get the fight to the later rounds. I remind you all that more than half of Rock's kayoes were three rounds or less.

 

<applauds>

 

Marciano once said he'd weigh 210 lbs, if not for Goldman. So I guess that's the weight he'd be not training and out of shape.
On the other hand for the computer fight vs Ali, he cut about 50 lbs, and still looked fat, so I wonder how much did he really weigh back then, over 250 lbs?

 

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