Tyson vs. Marciano: The myth of "intagibles"

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Okay, now you're just spewing BS and lies.

Buster Douglas wasn't the first fighter to fight back. Many people tried to fight back and weren't intimidated and it didn't matter. Tyson walked through them anyway. Berbick fought back, Thomas fought back, Tucker fought back, and others.

Okay, now this might be the dumbest thing you've said yet. He wasn't that gifted? Mike Tyson was one of the most physically gifted fighters of all-time. He didn't just have power or else he wouldn't have had the success that he had. He had terrific handspeed, great footspeed, punching sccuracy, elusiveness, combination punching, and was a great counterpuncher. Obviously ou have never seen a prime Mike Tyson fight.

Spinks may not have been big, but that did't stop him from beating other heavyweights, including top6 heavy Larry Holmes twice, and 6'-7" 230lb. Gerry Cooney.

And I guess Tyrell Biggs was a bum? Or Pinklon Thomas? What about Berbick or Tony Tubbs? They all were not intimidated and were definetely not bums.

Another dumb statement. Razor Ruddock was a huge puncher. So were Frank Bruno and Bonecrusher Smith. Tony Tucker hit hard as well. Tyson beat them all.

Tell that to the people who tried to hit him. Everyone who fought peak Mike all said he was hard to hit.

Well, what about the second punch, or the third punch? Tyson doesn't throw just one punch at a time, he throws rapid fire 4, 5, and 6 punch combinations.






If you're gonna make an argument against Tyson at least concoct one that makes sense.:good

 

Umm, Marciano was already training like mad and had a half-dozen pro fights before he first started working with Goldman. I suspect this quote should be explained thusly: Either, A. he would have started training differently(like, say, lifting more weights and bulking up) had he not worked with Goldman and followed Charlie's instructions, or B. he was just being gracious and giving Goldman credit.

 

He started lifting weights early but then thought better of it.

 

...and what was Marciano's best win? Let you be realistic here.

Yeah, i too can see so many similarities between a 5ft 10 in 185 brawler and a guy 6 ft 4, weighing 230 pounds, working behind a long jab. In fact, when you turn the colour down of your TV you'd think Marciano and Douglas were the same fella. Try it, it's uncanny.

 

I couldn't too. I can't stand the **** (as been well documented on these pages in the past). However, realism is my thing. :good

 

Tyson has just as many one-punch KO's which is more impressive because:

-The guys he KO'd in general had 20-40 pounds on most of the guys Marciano KO'd
-He threw more combinations, leading to less one punch KO's

 

I have no problem with anyone picking Marciano, but some Rocky fans are really delusional.

When it comes to fighting a 30 pounds bigger brawler, they say 'well his best win was a lightheavyweight' when it is Marciano who's two best wins are over lightheavyweights and the other one was a cruiserweight. Tyson beat the big guys.

Second, it becomes even funnier when it's the other way around.

When it's Fitzsimmons vs Marciano, then Fitz would be waaaaaaay to small to hurt Marciano, etc. Seems that if Marciano has 20 lb on you, you're doomed to fail, but if you have 30 lb on Marciano, it doesn't matter.



P.s. Douglas and Marciano are as opposite in fighting styles as two fighters get, and are in completely different weight classes.

 

Yes I do I didnt say Marciano would win ,,but pointed out his mentality and will to win.Tyson had way faster hands ,was a big hitter ,heavier man etc,Ive no problem with anyone picking either man,its a good thread ,that promotes discussion and an analysis of two Champs:good

 

They weren't good fighters for one and I believe they were intimidated. They also didn't have the right fight plan to neutralize Tyson's attack as Douglas did.

I've seen nearly all of his fights. He had exceptional speed and power, but a lot of these guys he fought were really made for him. Eventually the boxing community figured him out because he was really pretty one-dimensional.

Spinks was a great fighter, as were some of the ones Marciano fought. He was also made for Tyson though when you look at their physical attributes. In order to beat Tyson, you need to be able to punish him.

I disagree. They were not exceptional heavyweights in the scheme of things.

They may have been good punchers, but if you're going to try and trade with Tyson then you're going to lose. That's where his strength was. Those guys were made for him and weren't really great heavyweights in the scheme of things either. You put to big punchers against each other and one gets knocked out. It doesn't mean the guy who won was so ****ing great.

He's hard to hit if you're constantly backing up and trying to punch down. What I meant is that he certainly didn't have an air-tight defense. It was more defense through offense.

Look, I'm not saying Tyson wouldn't have the physical tools to knock out Marciano. It's certainly possible. My original statement was that giving him an automatic theory win over a great fighter who was also a great puncher and so much more is idiocy.

Marciano knew how to keep opposing fighters off balance, had great in-fighting as others have said, and hit like a wrecking ball.

If you put these two power guys in the ring, both have a punchers chance, but Rocky has more tools and I would put my money on him. If the fight goes past round 4 I'd put my house on him because he was stronger-willed and better conditioned (proven one-punch power in later rounds).

 

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Yes, there was also a Patterson vs Hagler thread a few weeks back. "Floyd outweighs Marv by 30 pounds he'd be too strong"....."He's very fast too, Hagler has no chance". Then again, Marvin has had the great misfortune that all his fights have been filmed in colour.