Tyson vs. Marciano: The myth of "intagibles"

I predicted a Tyson stoppage on cuts actually. But there's no doubt that Rocky would visit the canvas, if old man Moore can dump him there Tyson certainly can. His immense heart would see him through a few rounds but the damage would be done. I don't think Tyson can lose to a 185 pound guy who'll meet him head on to be honest and no "Rocky never lost so he couldn't be KO'd" nonsense will be entertained. Terry Marsh never lost either.

 

I think Tyson would stop Marsh in the first round but I don't see how that is relevant.

And was "Marciano never lost so..." a part of any of my posts?

 

Was "Tyson in the 1st round" one of my posts?

 

You're not that honest.

 

...or you tried to create your own argument. :good

 

I wouldn't exclude the possibility of Tyson stopping him in the first round, but i think it would go one or two more.

 

I love the double standards people use here. "When an old LHW Moore can KD Marciano, can you immagine what Tyson would do?" Can you immagine, when a mediocre- hitting fat ass like Douglas KO´d Tyson, what Marciano would have done with Mikey? You can put it always the other way too...


And to Chris_ Pontius:

I don´t discuss with you anymore about the "weight thing" about Tyson and Marciano, I make bodybuilding since I´m 13 and I started boxing when I even wasn´t a teenager, I don´t wanted to sound like a smart-ass or so, I just wanted to explain something to you how I think it is/was, and you countered that I´m a Marciano- nuthugger (although you´re more a Tyson-nuthugger than I´m a Marciano- nuthugger, Rocky isn´t even one of my favourite fighters), some people are biased and ignorant and don´t wanna hear/ read other opinions, and that includes you in this case...

 

True, but remember Charles took Rocky the distance, while Spinks couldn't last two minutes with Tyson.

Joe Frazier's heart and conditioning wasn't too much for George Foreman. Floyd Patterson's heart and conditioning wasn't too much for Sonny Liston. Evander Holyfield's heart and conditioning wasn't too much for Riddick Bowe. Tom Sharkey's heart and conditioning wasn't too much for Bob Fitzsimmons. I could go on, and on, and on about this issue, but you get the point.

Douglas had to hit Tyson over 500 times to get him, so his power is irrrelevant.

Tyson trained 9 days for the fight, was weight drained, dehydrated, and had his mind on having sex with Japanese women after the fight. Tyson was far from 100% in this fight. He would be 100% against Marciano.

I would say that Tyson carried his power into the middle rounds at least.

Rock's "chin" was exposed by a geriatric, and a LHW geriatric, so I think you overrate this element of Rocky's game. Marciano might apply pressure, but so will Tyson and Maricano would have to deal with the laws of physics. If two objects come at one another, when they collide the smaller object will be moved at a greater distance and/or sustain more damage. Marciano is the smaller object here.

I doubt it.

And none of those opponents were 1/10th the fighter Mike Tyson was.

:good

 

What does barely making it out of the first round have to do with them being intimidated or not? Biggs and Tubbs both won the first round, and had a good gameplan. IMO had they fought the Douglas version of Tyson they would have won. Tyson was just too much for them, they didn't seem intimidated at all to me, especially Tubbs.

 

I belive Charles show his top chin in the heavyweights unlike Spinks though. Charles face Satterfiled, Valntino, Joe Louis, and other top punchers of his era. Spinks does not have that record in regards to heavyweights. And no a drug up Cooney doesnt count.

 

A "drugged-up" Cooney could still hit. Power is that last thing to go.:good

 

"And none of those opponents were 1/10th the fighter Mike Tyson was."

This is way over the top. I do not consider Tyson ten times the fighter Jersey Joe Walcott was.

You can spin this chin stuff all you want, but Marciano was never knocked out while Tyson was actually knocked out 5 times in 58 fights. His ko'd by percentage is higher than Louis, Moore, Charles, Matthews, LaStarza, Savold, and Walcott among Marciano's opponents. His ko'd by percentage is higher than Patterson's or Johansson's. Why should one consider Tyson iron jawed? His chin is actually a question mark.

 

I agree :yep