Tyson vs. Marciano: The myth of "intagibles"

Even Mike says its 90% mental and so once he took a chunk out of Marciano's ears he would have entered even deeper into Marciano's world quickly recieving an assortment of eye-socket busting forarms and headbutts before being literally kicked out of the ring.

 

Just saw the Berbick Ali fight, and Berbick for the most part had his hands full with a total shot ALi. This was no Holmes remake. Walcott is levels above Berbick imo. If Anything I think Ali perhaps won a close points victory.

 

Tyson can not take Marchianos pressure,, HE will crack. Same with Jim Jeffies he would also make Tyson crack I sure. Or something like that lol.

 

The 'he did better at heavyweight' line amuses me too. Fighters in the 40s and 50s stepped up and often took on fellas weighing 185, 190. Big deal. :huh

 

Ha ha, it looks like Tyson paid some 'heavies' to put some 'hurtin' on Larry. :good

 

Manassa's new posting style has been cracking me up. lol

 

Though I need too dumb myself down lol.

 

:roll: :roll: This myth again once you hit Tyson cleanly he immediatelly gave up .

Rocky is NOT going to land consistently on Tyson . People seem to forget Tyson defense and countering abilities and seem to think that it was easy to land on Tyson.

 

Lewis seemed to land with ease on him though.Yeah yeah i know he was finished by then,but still,and bruno landed on him ok in the first fight,he just then **** himself and did not try again.

 

Look for example at both after their career, Marciano weighed for example in the sparring against Ali ca. 250 lbs, he was a natural big guy, Tyson on the other side had to gain his muscles in his prime. The post-prison- Tyson took roids, insiders knows it...

 

have you discovered weed?

 

My point is simply, that Moore even at HW proved to have very good power, because he KO´d much bigger men than himself and who were all good ranked, a thing Spinks (one of Tyson´s best wins) didn´t prove...

 

Frazier was a much different fighter in the Ali 1 fight, then the 1st Foreman fight or for that matter the Ali 2 and 3 fights, Frazier was not used to the fame that he recieved after the 1st fight vs Ali and went on a partying (woman +) binge, he did not even look good in his fights vs Ron Stander and Terry Daniels, club fighters. I am not saying that Frazier would have had the style to beat Foreman, Frazier was rocked and dropped by Bonavena,(not a big puncher) Manual Ramos,Dropped early in his career by a nobody and was shook a few times in his short career. Frazier only had 26 total fights under his belt and even at that point he showed that he could be hurt when hit and Foreman could hit. Looking at photos of Frazier after Ali and you could see he could never get his body in that condition again. Marciano was always fit. Tyson looked great coming up but Berbick(Nothing) Tucker,Thomas( backon Herion by then) were fighters looking for a way out when they got hit and never thought they could win. The logic you use that a fighters will to win can only take him so far can be used vs Tyson also. What would have happened if Tyson and Holyfield would have fought earlier? We know Evander came to win and Handled Mike easy and exposed his biggest weakness(that was there all the while) Evander did not fold at the presence of Mike and fought the fight to win, his heart and determination(intangables) made a big difference and something that only one fighter(Douglas) could muster on one night, and we know the results. Later on we saw Mike's weakness unfold again. Look at Mikes first 36 opponents leading up to Douglas and tell me one fighter that went into the fight that showed he had a chance to win or really tried, Smith,Tillis,Green, decided that they were going to survive and did. Leading up to the Holyfield fight only Rudduck and Bruno gave it there all and were in it to win it. Holyfield struggled to stop blown up Middleweight Bobby Cyz and based on that did not look like he had a chance(only the HEART vs Tyson) but THAT intangable exposed MIKES weakness again and would do so again vs Williams and Mcbride, Tyson never got off the floor to win and got discouraged when the guy he hit with his hardest did not fold, look at all of his fights leading up to his loses. I think if he had that Intangable(HEart and Will) in his package it would have made a big difference for his LEGASY

 

Very good post, but unfortunately some ignorant people won´t understand that, they say "Tyson surely had a better chin", although he was KO´d in his prime by the mediocre- hitting Buster Douglas for example. For me personally it really makes no sense to discuss with some of them...