Tyson vs. Rahman in 2001

without the knee problem williams wouldn't have seen round 3 (maybe even the bell to round two)

 

I dont know. Tyson wasnt in fighting condition. He gassed out. Maybe his power was depleted, but he punched himself out. You cant stay in top fighting condition fighting once a year. You saw Tyson still had the goods when he put a few fights back to back. After he fought Norris, he fought Francis, Savarese and Golota all within a few months of each other. This was the most consistent he was and under Tommy Brooks who had him doing the right things and his weight was in check. After Golota he should have gone right to the Lennox Lewis fight, not take a year off and fight Nielson.

 

Yeah, Tyson when he fought Golota was about the best he looked at the time. Lewis still knocks out that version of Tyson but it would of been more of a fight.

 

thats the realest shyt ive read in this thread!

 

But the last 13 years limped along with the first 7 on its back.

 

when you knocking alot of people out within the first 3 or 4 rds, you can get in alot of fights.

 

you have to remember, the guy turned pro at 19 and he went to jail for 3 years.

 

well, again, if the majority of your fights end early, it going to take longer for your body to have that wear and tear.

 

cuz he had a short prime, if his prime was over at 27. he had alot of ko power and his competion wasnt that great so he was able to push it into his late 30's. it impressive but understandable because of the physical attributes tyson possesed.

 

I agree with all that you said except about the williams fight. I've rewatched it a few times and to me you can clearly see the injury and it's effect: he couldn't get torque on his punches after it and eventually he could barely move around. Williams looked like a man who was shot a couple of times before the injury and no way he was gonna last. The injury looked legit to me and to me it explained how tyson reacted. Don't know how tyson would've faked that (but again anything's possible).

 

Im not saying he faked, Im saying the outcome would have most likely been the same. Tyson came out firing early and Williams was almost gone in the first round. After a few rounds, Tyson was slowing down and gassed out. The injury probably weakened his punching power because he couldnt get the leverage, but he wasnt throwing much after a few rounds anyway, and Williams just kept punching until Tyson was stopped.

 

I'd have to favor Rahman. Tyson was a spent force by this time. He still had a punch but the combinations were almost completely gone. Rahman had lapses in concentrations so he could catch him but i like Rahman here.

 

he didn't throw much after the injury because of the injury, you could tell right after it he wasn't the same. that's not conditioning/fatigue, that's the injury (for which he underwent surger and was alternatively reported as ligament damage or cartilege damage). to me i can come to no other conclusion having watched the fight a few times. I will grant you that there was certainly a decent chance that Tyson would slow down considerably let's say by the third, but given what he was doing to him (before the injury which was if you recall like 2:00 into the first round) i don't think williams would've lasted. but if he did manage to last, yes williams could've well gotten a late victory (but he certainly wouldn't be able to unload wild clubbing haymakers like he was able to b/c of mikes knee injury).

Tyson had the right attack w/ roach to stop williams or at least hold on for a clear points victory, but he ****ed up his knee which happens when your 38 or so and inactive as you point out

Btw, wasn't saying you thought he was faking i was just pointing out it was possible. And Williams was "almost gone" a few times even once or so after the injury and tyson was just winging on adrenaline

 

Did someone say Tysons style wasn't that of a man designed to have a long career...

Then .... someone answered.. his career was 20 years long, not bad....

Then the reply was.... Mikes latter years were basically Mike limping along with his first 7 years on his back......

20 years non the less is a long time when you tally up his success and fight frequency in the first 2 years were averaging out 1 fight almost every 6 weeks..

Audley Harrison has hardly boxed in the last 2 years and he has only been a pro for 8 years, and he is almost done..

Compair it all to Evanders career.. Evanders career has been 25 years long...





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I agree with you bro and I certainly don't think he did. But in the fight biz who really knows? I was just pointing out that watching the fight I believe his knee was really ****ed up and to me the surgery backs that up. The only other argument to me would be that mike hurt himself a bit and then exaggerated it to justify quitting. Obviously i think the injury was very legit and so was the surgery. I just don't know how one can argue that it was simply fatigue by Mike