Tyson vs Tillis - who really won??

Another ignorant post. By the time Liston was a ranked contender he weighed 210+ trained to the minute (unlike most of todays modern HWs, including Cooper who was often fat as a pig in the ring). He wouldnt have fought at cruiserweight because he had the punch and durability, size and strength to compete at HW where the real money was at, and thats even IF he could get down to 200 which is debatable, he certainly wasnt going to sweat himself down to 175 which is a ****ing ******ed comment by any stretch of the imagination. Liston couldnt get down to 175 without chopping off a leg.

 

Alright, I think it's time we stop this. Bert Cooper was no more than an exciting and hard-punching journeyman. I just thought that I, along with The Mongoose, would make an already ridiculous thread even more ridiculous by making Bert Cooper out to be more than he is.

Sonny Liston would destroy Cooper as would any half-decent heavyweight who can survive the initial onslaught. It's time to let this thread be.

 

Im glad for this, I thought for a minute this wasnt the greata i knew. I thought youd lost your mind, or had a stroke or something. I was ready to call 911 on you LOL

 

I was just bored. Foreman Hook has been terrorizing these forums for a while so I thought I'd go along with it, in his own threads that is. As far as I'm concerned, threads such as this do not deserve a serious answer.

 

It was a No Contest, not a draw. There is a difference between the two. Orlin Norris would have have got KTFO out sooner or later, he was just like Ol' Bert Cooper, got beat by all the best fighters he ever fought. Orlin Norris has lost to Tony Tucker, Henry Akinwande, Andrew Golota, Vitali Klitchsko, Brian Neilsen, Albert Sosnowski and Ola Afolobi. He faked his injury because he knew what ws coming....

And the link you have provided, doesnt mean ****. Its true Tyson injured his ribs, i believe he then went on to fight Razor Ruddock?? Twice. Scared of Bert Cooper? Please.

 

Norris should be 2-0 vs. Tucker IMO but yeah... he was looking for a way out vs. Tyson. Hey, he can say he fought a pre-Lewis Tyson and did not lose though. He damn sure didn't win or draw either!

 

But hes got nothing to be proud of
He was KD in the first round (or just after it)
didnt bother getting up
quit and tried to get a DQ win.
Peter Mcneeley did better than Orlin Norris IMO

Tyson beat Tillis, and he would have wiped the ****ing floor with Bert Cooper

 

atsch:nut

 

Tyson-Tillis was close. Scoring is subjective. Some of the rounds were just not clear cut at all.
Tillis came in good shape. He gave a better than usual effort, maybe he was even trying to win.

An entertaining fight because of styles, but neither fighter inflicted any real damage. Hence, different interpretations of the scoring.

Tyson wasn't quite as seasoned as he'd become 12-24 months later but I think some people like to exaggerate his "greeness" to excuse the performance. I dont think he was ever much better. I'm only slightly more impressed by him when he was at his peak.
Truth is, Tillis was decent and put on a decent showing. If he came to lose (as he usually did), he at least came to lose in decent shape and with some clever boxing.

Tyson was overrated then, and later, and is still overrated here and now.
Still, I'd give my right arm to have someone like that in the heavyweight division right now.

 

The thing is, Tyson was such a good puncher that if he had truly “dominated” ten rounds you'd expect his opponent to be either beaten out of shape OR survived only with a large amount of negative tactics.

Tillis was supposedly dominated yet he finished largely unscathed and not by simply clinching and stalling. In fact, he was throwing and landing lots of punches.
In no way was he dominated.

Tyson was busy and aggressive and intimidating throughout, but I conclude that he just wasn't landing a huge amount of effective punches, and nor was he controlling the theatre of battle. If he had been Tillis would have been getting busted up or KO'd or been hanging on for dear life. Such was Tyson's power. It's that simple.

 

Sometimes guys dont go. Tyson tried to box in the early stages, then he started head hunting, and then started going more towards working the body and breaking him down from there. I think it was kind of a bad fight plan for Tyson in that fight that was somewhat pre planned because of Tillis' track record.
Tyson has said he carried Tillis in the early stages of that fight and could have stopped him quickly had he tried from the opening bell.
Personally I think they felt Tillis would fold up once Tyson turned on the heat and once he did, Tillis was more game because of his conditioning, then they thought he would be.

 

I don't know what they thought.
Tillis was a decent fighter who threw some big fights away prior to Tyson, and perhapsd downright threw some, but was game and in-shape in some big fights too.
They probably wanted him to be a stern test and he was.

I was generous to say Tyson was busy throughout, he wasn't quite. In some of the later rounds he stalked too much and didn't let his hands go, and Tillis should be credited there for using the ring well to his advantage.

The official decision and scoring seemed fair enough to me. I suppose there are margins of variation on both sides of that.
Explanations and excuses for Tyson are unnecessary, he won, he looked human because he was, and Tilis was a decent boxer.

 

Supposedly they chose Tillis because they expected to see a similar style but a more game challenger against then champ Berbick. That wasnt the case.

 

Strange that they would think Tillis and Berbick were ever alike.

 

I dont get it either, but I heard it from Caytons mouth. Tillis was more of a mover, but I guess they expected Berbick to box more from the outside.