Tyson vs Tillis - who really won??

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Who are the 5 azsholes that picked Tillis? Did you all even see this fight? I highly doubt it!

 

Ok, Tillis was robbed.

Leonard beat Hearns in their rematch.

Holyfield beat Bowe in their first fight. He beat Lewis twice... even more clear in the rematch.

Joe Louis beat Walcott in their first fight... oh wait, he did.

 

Bump

 

Tyson won.

I was a fan of Tillis and was rooting for him but I thought Tyson edged it pretty clearly.

This was a still developing Tyson who had never before gone 10 rounds.

You can't really judge how he would do agaisnt Ali prime for prime because he wasn't in his prime yet when he fought Tillis. He was still improving.

I remember Tyrell Biggs beat Tillis much easier than Tyson did, so some "experts" thought Biggs had a shot against Tyson. Wrong. Styles make fights and Tyson got better while Biggs regressed.

 

This was absolutely a valuable learning fight so far as Tyson is concerned. All great future champions need this experience to draw upon once they progress.

 

Tyson won

 

TYSON WON. I THOUGHT THAT BACK THEN AND AFTER WATCHING IT AGAIN STILL DO. IT WAS EASILY HIS HARDEST FIGHT SO FAR AND TILLIS DID WELL, HE CAUGHT TYSON WITH A GOOD FEW BODY SHOTS. IT MAY HAVE BEEN A DIFFERENT RESULT IF IT HAD BEEN A 12 ROUND FT, MAYBE TILLIS COULD HAVE PULLED OUT A DRAW. BUT A GOOD LEARNING FT FOR TYSON ON THE WAY TO THE TITLE.

 

I was at the fight. Taking Tyson at 10-1--like everyone else did. Based on Tillis' recent form which was horrible going into the Tyson fight. Horrible. He was brought in to be another quickie ko victim. And it was taking place pretty much in Mike's backyard.

I was sweating as much as Tyson or Tillis waiting for the decision to be announced. I thought for sure the old axiom of follow the money would help. And I would not drop a ton of money. But sometimes being live at a fight is a lot different than viewing it on tv. Live, Tillis was very effective in there and it was the other guy that was missing. So sitting there I thought Tillis had won the fight by a point or had a draw at the worst. To me, about the only effectiveness Tyson had was the flash knockdown. Close bought, sure.

Sure was happy when it was announced and how many times in the sport do we see the money guy fail to get the benefit of the doubt? And that was something I had banked on & continue to do.

 

Wow you were there?

whatching on tv I have it 6-4 For Tillis, but feel it was just one of those learning fights, where the better guy just didn't know enough yet. I think Tillis deserved to lose by S.D. If i were one of the three judges And I scored for Tillis I would be happy to be the minority vote expecting the other two to go to Tyson, providing Split verdict for Mike..

I have oficialy judged thousands of fights. with the advantage of sevral angles tillis looks the winner, he landed enough punches with suficient force with the knuckle part of the glove to win more rounds.

maybe if I were ringside and tillis had his back to me during the exchanges he won I could have been swayed by tysons greater impresion with fewer shots.

I think it was only the adjustment in class that made the fight close for Tyson.



I had tillis winning the 1st, 2nd, 6th, 7th, 9th and 10th rounds. Tillis just landed more scoring shots and controlled those rounds IMO. When scoring fights you must take a mental note of the number of scoring shots that land with sufficient force. Tyson did stagger tillis more often but tillis was never entirely dominated, always scoring effectively before and after each sticky moment.

This is not necessarily a robbery, it’s just the way I see it, and why 3 judges is better than one. I would be happy to be in the minority here. It’s a common mistake to give a whole round to the guy who lands the hardest punch rather than the fighter whose outboxing the other. Even the round of the knockdown would not be a 10-8 in my judgement since tillis was winning that round so it was tysons 10-9.

Even though Tyson was the better fighter it took young Tyson too long to adjust to being hit back and paused too long at times.

Bottom line, I am certain young Mike would have won an immediate rematch by KO. It was just the introduction to the class level adjustment that IMO cost him the fight.

 

It was one of those fights where one guy was rolling with anything the other guy tried. Tillis could read Tyson. So the impact wasn't there---kind of like duran as a lightweight. Not much sweat was flying off the head of Tillis. And Mike Tyson sure hits hard enough with both hands to cause that kind of reaction. He really seldom landed a clean punch. Tiilis was not getting hit clean in there. But he was landing clean when he threw those counters.

But he didn't ever try backing Mike up. So many times the guy going forward is given all the credit in the world for making the fight. And it doesn't work that way with the guys that circle. But the crowd was like a 98% Tyson crowd. All the ooh's and ah's whenever he threw anything. All he had to do was land on the torso of Tillis and it got a response. When Tillis landed, not much noise at all. But he did not punch hard--one of the reasons he was selected as an opponent afterall. His punches landed really had minimal effect of Tyson. So then you get the "Muhammad Ali" type scoring where even if the opponent does land clean, the shots do not and never did register on an Ali. So it looks like he is the master bullfighter at all times. What a great illusion to have in your bag of tricks, huh? And Mike Tyson was not showing anything when he got hit. And he was pressing the fight & that crowd cheered at everything he did.

But the crowd favorites almost always get the breaks and the close nods. The hardest thing to do in the sport is to be a successful road warrior. And tillis did not dominate the guy or anything remotely close to that. He played the spoiler and those guys just do not show enough flash to win lopsided decisions.

 

Totally agree very good post.

 

By your scoring rubric, how many light scoring shots = one hard, staggering blow?

I couldn't find any more than 4 rounds to give to Tillis and I thought he only undeniably won 2 of them.

 

The WBO is looking into this result too....along with Pac-Horn.