Michael Moorer had Foreman's number throughout the whole fight until the knockout Foreman beating Tyson :rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl Foreman couldn't even beat Tommy Morrison and was probably one of the worst champions in the 90s
:good Good post. Foreman has nothing to keep Tyson off him, except a bulldozing leftjab and a maybe the heaviest hands in the history of the division. Everytime George touches Tyson he is moving him.
I said it in this thread already but it seems I'll have to say it again. Tyson does not beat Foreman. You can make an argument that the 90's Foreman loses to Tyson (and even then I'd pick Foreman), but Prime 70's Foreman is not going to lose to Tyson. Cus himself said Tyson would not beat someone like Foreman, which is a huge reason why Tyson never fought the comeback version of Foreman in the 90's. Tyson will bob and weave right into a Foreman uppercut. Foreman KO Tyson, early.
You got George Foreman confused with Wladimir Klitschko? Little Joe Frazier was landing hooks and jabs on Foreman. Where was the bulldozing jab? Foreman used shoves, not jabs, to keep Frazier off. There is absolutely no basis for claiming that Foreman had the heaviest hands in the history of the division. You get all that from his stoppages of Frazier and Norton? Both of them were on their feet and conscious when they were stopped. The heaviest hands would have put their lights out. Look at the state of Larry Holmes when Tyson stopped him. Foreman is not moving Tyson every time he touches him, not by a long shot.
I'll never understand how Foreman's fans can completely suspend their knowledge of what skilled boxing is when talking him up.
Dude, seriously, sit your ass down, no one cares what you said. Did Cus say this to you in person? And who cares what Cus may or may not have said. Cus, for example, said that Joe Louis would beat Ali, when that's a stylistic mismatch in favor of Ali. George Foreman is a crude slugger. If Tyson can't beat a crude slugger, he has no business boxing at all. There are many crude sluggers in the sport. If Foreman can't muscle you into his power range, he can be exposed. And Foreman in his prime never saw anything like Tyson's hand speed and foot speed. 80s Foreman couldn't even stop a fat old Qawi early. But he stops Tyson early?
Holyfield really made Foreman look slow. Foreman's 257 pounds were way too much for a quick, mobile guy like Holyfield. Granted, Foreman at 235 would have still been too slow, but I think he would have been more competitive at a lower weight.
I don't get it. Clearly some cares :good. Joe Louis could very well beat Ali. I'd favor Ali but its fine and understandable that Cus thinks that Louis beats him. They are arguably the 2 best in the division's history. George Foreman is a crude slugger, with almost every advantage over Tyson. I don't see what Tyson is going to do to a larger, very powerful ATG in Foreman. And you state that Louis can't beat Ali because of a stylistic mismatch...Foreman vs Tyson is the same thing. It favors Foreman, by a lot. Both guys will get hit, Foreman is just as durable if not more so, and Foreman hits harder. Tyson admires Foreman and would realize what hes up against. Do you think it helps Tyson that his own trainer told him to avoid guys like Foreman? To not even acknowledge that Foreman has a chance is foolish. He would be favored and would win early on.
Foreman probably hits harder but Tyson has more power in his punches due to technique and speed. Their speed is incomparable, especially hand speed ... Tyson's hand speed is second only to Ali's and you can even argue that it may have been superior. Tyson is also far more accurate and a better puncher overall than Foreman who just threw wide, looping shots. Prime Tyson also threw the best combinations in the heavyweight divisions history since Joe Louis. Tyson also has better footwork and is more mobile. Foreman also had no real defense except pushing or getting hit ... Tyson's defense was spectacular and so was his chin. Tyson was never even close to being KOed early and survived monster punches from Lennox Lewis, Razor Ruddock and others. Foreman was dropped by Ron Lyle twice early on in their fight. If Lyle can send Foreman to the canvas then a much more dangerous Tyson who is far more accurate can do the same. Foreman is hugely overrated and was nothing but a crude slugger. Tyson is faster on foot and with his hands, throws more accurate and deadly punches and in combinations, has a better chin and has better defense. His stamina is also better ... Foreman was a 5 round fighter at his peak. Tyson wins via stoppage in the middle rounds against an old Foreman and KO's a "prime" Foreman within 4 and makes him look stupid doing so with those wide, inaccurate punches. Frazier was a slow starter and didn't have the best defense or the best chin so Foreman vs. Frazier is a poor comparison to make.
Frazier vs Foreman is a stylistic mismatch for specific reasons. Like the fact that Frazier can't get inside, Foreman constantly keeps him at his power range by pushing. At Foreman's range, Frazier is hittable and once hurt, he can't box Foreman and just continues getting hit. Look at Tyson and look at Frazier. Tyson is a much more impressive athlete, much more powerfully built. I don't think Foreman would be able to shove Tyson around like he did to Frazier, and then what? I don't think Foreman has the jab or anything else to keep Tyson where he wants him.
If Tyson's chin is better why was he floored and KTFO by a shopworn Holyfield when a prime version could neither floor nor stop an old, slow and fat George despite unloading his best punches on him for 12 rounds? And I saw nothing spectacular in Tysons defense against Buster Douglas where his amazing head movement still saw him get his ****ing head jabbed off, but of course he was washed up there...at 23:dead Tyson was a real force at his peak granted but he looked decidedly mortal in numerous fights even with Kevin Rooney in his corner. Quick Tillis took some rounds off him, he couldn't put shitty Mitch Green away and the Bonecrusher Smith and Tony Tucker fights were as dull as dishwater and saw Tyson run out of ideas for getting a stoppage pretty early. Hell even Renaldo Snipes took him 10 rounds. This fight is a pick'em with Tyson's advantages in speed and technique off set by Foreman's big edges in size and strength. I'd favour the Foreman of the Frazier and Norton fights though to be honest either man winning wouldn't surprise.
Tyson was floored by Holyfield? I remember Holyfield hitting Tyson in the chest and Tyson going down on a balance shot, but I dont remember Holyfield "flooring" Tyson. Tyson had a granite chin, he took some serious bombs from Douglas and still managed to get to his feet after Douglas hit him with a four punch combination that would have decapitated most fighters. Foreman couldnt put punches together quick enough to hurt Tyson and Tyson could certainly take Foremans singular shots at anytime in his career.
Re: those bombs from Buster. Everyone else he fought took those bombs too. What other top fighter did Douglas score a knockdown against anyway? The first Holyfield/Tyson bout I watched saw Tyson going to the deck after a body shot. And he sure did back off his game after that, didn't he? Or were you still thinking he was going to 1 punch Evander? As for the Lewis fight, I saw Lennox throw about 5 of his big right hands. The 5th one put him in a heap. but he was not putting a lot of starch on his right hands very often during earlier rounds and was just taking him out to deeper water. When he got him where he wanted him, the fight was over real quick. Evander fought lots of top heavies. Aside from Tyson, what other guys did he stop? Tyson/Moorer once/Douglas. Then who? Stewart or Cooper or who? 85 year old Dokes?He went the distance 2x with Lewis/3 fights with Bowe and no stoppages against that defense/3x Ruiz. You had former middle Toney. Bean. Donald. Back to back fights with guys over 40 for title defenses w/o a ko. So why was Tyson stopped by the guy if he had such a terrific chin? What about the Williams/McBride fights he lost by tko? They don't count or something? Tyson hardly absorbed any punishment from his early bouts so there wasn't any kind of big attrition wear and tear going on like lots of guys.
