Tyson: WOW, look at the speed difference...amatuers.

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  1. Caelum

    Caelum Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Really didn't want to dedicate a thread to this but I thought it was funny in an awesome way.

    Obviously his speed is known but compared to his opponent in this particular fight...

    You can just watch the whole thing but if you don't care to...You can start at
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    so you don't miss it but pay attention to the split-screen where Tyson is just warming up for the cameras with his opponent doing the same


    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6Nmoy1mrYY&feature=related[/ame]

    Before 1:39, starting at 1:10 is Tyson's famous somewhat mental break-down as an amateur before a fight

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    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IW7Nk4bJYa4&hd=1[/ame]



    They actually fought again later on when Tyson was a bit older

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hlp4m8gzIvk[/ame]
     
  2. Windigo

    Windigo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Tyson is the perfect example when pointing out how you fight like you train. Train slow fights slow. The body is a machine while you can will it to do somethings you cannot will it to do others. What we call muscle memory is actually conditioning of the cerebral cortex. The cerebral cortex will function as it is trained to there is no willing it to speed.
     
  3. J.R.

    J.R. No Mames Guey Full Member

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    Seen it before. The most impressive thing is that Tyson not only had hand speed, but overall body speed. Look at the way he twists and rotates his entire upper body with such velocity with each and every punch. The man was a full body speed machine.
     
  4. makart

    makart New Member Full Member

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    interesting :good

    Muslces are essentially made up of fast twitch and slow twitch fibres, one perform fast, anaerobic contractions and the other performs slow aerobic work over a longer period of time. eg sprinters muscles are made up of more fast twitch fibres than a marathon runner.
    Although it is reckoned training in one particular style can develop one or the other type of muscle fibre, the biggest factor in the percentage of both fibres is genes.
    Tyson was born fast. In my understanding.
     
  5. Caelum

    Caelum Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Article about Buster Mathis transition when managed by D'Amato

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1079455/index.htm

    Tidbits:

    "Before losing weight, Mathis had been a retreating counterpuncher. As he trimmed down, he became more aggressive.
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    found Mathis had a savage left hook and, with schooling, a right hand that could do damage. He started teaching Mathis how to throw combination punches, which
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    defines as "a series of blows to predetermined areas," and had him throwing punches at a contraption called "Willie," so named because D'Amato devised it to help train Torres before he took the light-heavyweight title away from Willie Pastrano.


    Willie is five mattresses strapped onto a frame. The front mattress has an outline sketch of a man on it, and various parts of the outline are numbered as targets. No. 1 is a left hook to the jaw, 2 a right hook to the jaw, 3 a left uppercut, 4 a right uppercut, 5 a left hook to the body and 6 a right hook to the left kidney. Mathis punches each target as D'Amato's voice, on a tape recorder, calls out numbers. D'Amato himself stands to the side, arms folded, carefully watching and occasionally admonishing Mathis to get down lower, move back faster or growl more fiercely.

    When Mathis began punching Willie, D'Amato had him throw only one punch every five seconds. Then he gradually speeded up the process, and Mathis can now deliver a five-punch combination in as little as three-fifths of a second. " Frazier couldn't do this," D'Amato says. "He wouldn't have the power, speed, coordination or stamina. Clay couldn't do it either. You have to have done this over a period of months and months."
    Every day Mathis goes at least five rounds against Willie. Once, when he complained, D'Amato kept him at it extra hard, and when Mathis was through he had thrown, by D'Amato's count, 12,000 punches. D'Amato says, "I told him Clay had thrown only 1,760 punches in the Chuvalo fight and not to complain again." To which Mathis adds, "When I walk into the ring, I figure I gotta win. No one trains as hard as me, runs as hard as me or has had Cus on his back."

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    The full article is very interesting on how D'Amato did things.


    Also Note: Tyson actually got away from this after he left Rooney. It was then noted how his speed declined a bit amongst other things.
    And emotionally, which the aritle touches on, if you relate it to Tyson, it gives you some indication what he was now missing.


    Training: Shadow boxing was also taken very seriously with Tyson. It served a key purpose like everything else.
     
  6. nufc_jay

    nufc_jay Guest

    Great vid! :good
     
  7. blur

    blur WLADGLASSJAW Full Member

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    great watch
     
  8. RJD88

    RJD88 The Icon Full Member

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    great post, enjoyed reading this. :thumbsup
     
  9. Marnoff

    Marnoff Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Great post. I learned something new.
     
  10. Windigo

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  11. Windigo

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  12. Prince

    Prince Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Very nice. Which Tyson DVD is this?
     
  13. swe6826

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    I agree, Emanuel Steward said something to the effect that fighters with a lot of amateur experience do well in the pros because when they're tired, their body runs on the years of muscle memory built up during their amateur career.
     
  14. DonBoxer

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  15. TheGreat

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    Too Bad after the Golota fight Tyson lost all his speed and explosiveness but still tried to fight on.