Tyson: WOW, look at the speed difference...amatuers.

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  1. Windigo

    Windigo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Here is NFL HOF jerry rice talking about the same thing

     
  2. elchivito

    elchivito master betty Full Member

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    D'Amato was a genius.
     
  3. Caelum

    Caelum Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I actually saw that clip of him in the amateurs a while back on ESPN classics but it wasn't from that documentary. Obviously footage gets reused. But it was still surprising to me even today when I finally saw it again

    Full Footage of the documentary....


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    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFC589cRs7g&feature=related[/ame]
     
  4. darryl1914

    darryl1914 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Nice Afro at 1:53 of that video!!!
     
  5. Kestrel

    Kestrel Windhover Full Member

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    A Prime Mike Tyson will always be the Greatest in my book.
     
  6. bman100

    bman100 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    great video and great articles.


    Sugar ray robinson called it the stage of 'trancendance', no thinking is involved at all, all automatic.
     
  7. bman100

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  8. Joan_Guzman

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  9. Caelum

    Caelum Boxing Addict Full Member

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    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zxz2XnjoGfY[/ame]
     
  10. Snakefist

    Snakefist Boxing Addict Full Member

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    bruce lee called it, unnatural naturalness. The art of fighting without fighting. I do not fight, it fights all by itself. The body has it's own thinking apparatus, call it muscle memory or whatever, the scientific labels dont matter and they dont exist in reality. People have known about these things for a long time, the point is doing and experimentation. The body learns and can do and its different than the mind and emotions. The body has to be communicated in different ways. Thinking takes longer than physical reactions/action. I know people dont think this is true, but try to type on your keyboard while looking at the keyboard and thinking about what you want to type. It is slower. The same for anything that your body normally does effortlessly, with thinking it becomes more complicated because thinking takes a longer time to process.

    I think what makes a great fighter truly, the ones who are known as the greatest is their ability to merge the body with the mind. where they have the instinct, but they can also rationalize and reason in that state and be able to switch gears and adjust.
     
  11. Cableaddict

    Cableaddict Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    A lot of that was Teddy Atlas. Note who's there with Mike in his corner. It 'aint Cus & it 'aint Rooney.

    It's a shame Teddy doesn't get more recognition for his role in Tyson's formative tears. Even Tyson, who today seems genuinely aware of his past mistakes, doesn't credit Atlas. I guess we know why (who wants to bring up the split due to a sexual attack on an 11 year old girl) but still ....
     
  12. dealt_with

    dealt_with Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    It's called acquiring skills, it's called motor control. It's all explainable and trainable and it's not some pseudo spiritual **** like you're implying here. Yes you need to be relaxed, if you think about something as you're doing it it's not autonomous anymore, even if you've practiced it a million times and it comes easily in training.
    That's what choking is, increased anxiety causing you to over attend to motor skills that should be autonomous. It takes your attention away from important things and causes you to narrow your focus on something that you already know, making you stiff and uncoordinated. Your brain isn't reacting any slower, it's just that your muscles aren't contracting in the correct sequence with the correct force due to the already increased tension with the narrowed focus.
    Your brain needs to process everything before there is a physical reaction, the reason why it seems like your body is faster than your mind is because it works on a subconscious level when you're relaxed. Your body can never be quicker than your mind, that would be easy to prove if it was true.
     
  13. Kalasinn

    Kalasinn ♧ OG Kally ♤ Full Member

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    Nice post. :good