Tyson - Your Ranking?

I have him at #7

When you take into account his reign at the top, the number of ranked contenters that he beat, its a fair ranking.

 

Point is that Mavrovic is rarely mentioned when it comes to Lewis' resume.
Mason is a bit more accomplished than Summerlin, but again he is hardly mentioned for Lewis and Lewis shut him out and stopped him while the Summerlin fights could arguably have been losses.

How is that picking straws? I never denied that the Mercer fight is close and one in which Lewis fought a stupid strategy. With the three points deducted, Liston could've easily lost a decision.

But of course he had mob in his corner, seeing him through Don King like decisions against Summerlin I & II, Machen, etc. Couldn't help him when he quit on his stool obviously.

 

- I actually ordered a Summerlin fight on film so I will finally get to see if he is top talent or not, but I defintley rate the listons wins over summerlin as good ones, and Summerlin had quite the reputation as top talent.

If the mob really was controlling liston, They never would have thrown him in against 19-1 top heavyweight talent Prospect like Johnny Summerlin in his 5th pro fight, nor had him scheduled to take on hall of famer harold johnson in his 10th pro fight(which harold backed out on 4 days before the fight). Liston was one of the least protected heavyweight champions of all time. He was run by the mob, but they knew he was so good that they did not need to protect him.



Thanx for the discussion Chris, always enjoy it with you. can you answer my dejohn question?

 

Likewise SQ, i don't think i've ever agreed with you, but it makes for good topics. :yep


I think the DeJohn win may well be Liston's best after Patterson. I don't think Mike got back to contender status after Liston beat him, but he was in the lower end of the top10 for two succesive years, that should count for something.

My guess is he was a bit of Grant-esque in that he couldn't succesfully recover from his first loss, which like Grant, was probably pretty brutal. I've never seen him on film, though.

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Liston was certainly fighting some big names early on, though as mentioned before, he did seem to get the nod in close fights and he was widely seen as the prospect, Summerlin was expected to lose.

 

Really? I think we tend to agree on a lot of subjects like tyson, tunnets heavyweight resume, walcott fighting alot of punchers, Rocky Marciano, It seems the only fighter we disagree on is Sonny Liston.

 

Thanx for the photo, is it just me or does Dejohn look excessivley tall? He is listed as 6'3 but looks taller.

 

I think Chuvalo describes DeJohn as 6'5, 6'6 in a documentary I've got. I must admit he does look that tall, and he looks tall and slim like Ernie Terrell.

 

Top 15, maybe top 10, not top 5.

 

top 10

 

The only ones I would definitely rank above him is Ali, Louis, Holmes, Marciano, Johnson and Lewis, so somewhere 7-10. Frazier and Foreman both had one ATG scalp and Foreman also had a very impressive come-back, but Tyson's title reign was far better than any one of Foreman's and somewhat better or on par with Frazier's. Tyson also had some good wins in his come-back. For me it's very hard to separate Tyson, Frazier, Foreman and Liston.

 

Hard to judge from the photo whether he's 6'3, 6'5 or anything in between. He is closest to the camera (which has an upward angle), so that changes the perspective a bit. He does have a pretty thick neck.