@Tyson_Fury the world now sees you for the fraud you are.

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  1. N17

    N17 Loyal Member Full Member

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    Yeah, Wilder will have to really turn things around, it's a huge ask but I think with some adjustments he can be a serious threat.

    Wilder isn't outboxing Fury, he has to land that right hand, if he still thinks he can outbox Fury then he is in trouble but he should have learnt his lesson.

    I think the inactivity of both men suits Wilder better, I believe if they fought again so soon after that beating Wilder wouldn't have coped mentally, he has had time to deal with his demons, he wasn't in a good place for months after the second fight.

    Also, I believe Fury's style is all about timing, reflexes, footwork and the inactivity may give him problems for a few rounds, he may have to work his way in to a groove.

    Where Wilder should be thinking more about aggression and power, just land that right hand as quickly and as often as possible, Wilder hasn't got to worry about reflexes and footwork because he hasn't got any LOL

    The mentality of Wilder will have to change, he reacted in both fights instead of acting, he bought every feint and twitch and was put on the back foot by Fury both times, he overthought every punch, he overthought every move.

    He was constantly worried about the counter, he needs to throw shots with confidence and belief and he is a different animal.

    As hard as it may be Wilder is going to have to be brave and not buy those feints, let his right hand go when he has the chance, almost as a reflex, he can't stutter and look for the perfect shot, he just needs to throw shots.

    Also, the weight, Wilder came in far too heavy last time, I understood why but it didn't suit him, another mistake and another lesson learnt, he will come in lighter this time and I believe more explosive, he will return to a weight that he feels comfortable at and suits him.



    But yeah, If Wilder throws shots at Fury, doesn't buy every feint and twitch, if far more aggressive in his attitude then I believe he has a great chance, I really do.
     
  2. JDub

    JDub Active Member Full Member

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    how many adjustments can you actually make in what 18 months though?

    he’s gotta land his wild right hand here let’s be real. He could do it but it’s unlikely I think, not to mention he got his ass handed to him last time out so I highly doubt he’ll throw caution to the wind. Buuuuutttt..... he always kinda has a shot.
     
  3. N17

    N17 Loyal Member Full Member

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    How many adjustments did I name?

    It's a few, a few, I am not expecting Wilder to completely change his style, he needs to go back to being aggressive and throwing shots.

    His mindset is also vitality important, he isn't outboxing Fury, so he needs to do what he can do.. show aggression, throw shots and believe in himself.

    That's hardly reinventing him is it?


    Everybody needs to remember Otto Wallin had the nuts to throw shots at Fury, opened his eye up and gave him a tough night, if you throw shots at Fury you can hit him, he might have a few YouTube highlights where he is slipping and dodging punches but he isn't invisible.

    It's when fighters allow him to dictate with those feints and twitches they struggle, Wlad struggled, Wilder ended getting chewed up.
     
  4. JDub

    JDub Active Member Full Member

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    so defensive, dude chill out.

    He needs to make adjustments but he’s hardly reinventing himself? What are you talking about? Make your mind up bro.

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  5. AdamT

    AdamT Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Awesome post man
     
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  6. KernowWarrior

    KernowWarrior Bob Fitzsimmons much bigger brother. Full Member

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    Unless Wilder goes on the offensive then Fury will do his herky jerky style or as in last fight rag doll Wilder.

    We say Wilder has the mental battle of overcoming Fury/wilder 2 outcome, however Fury has felt the power of Wilders punch, so he knows his ass can be put to the canvas by Wilder, keeping Fury down is another matter, but the ability to do it is a decent foundation to build upon.

    I still feel that Fury could struggle to get himself motivated for a Wilder fight camp having had that unification bout within grasping distance (i think Fury had plans to retire after the unification bout).

    A fit, focused Wilder with something resembling a effective fight plan who in training camp has heeded the advice of the quote " We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak", facing a Fury who has eyes in camp on the unification rather than on Wilder bout might make this bout that little bit more interesting, this is basically the last chance saloon for Wilder on the world title stage, so perhaps we might see the best version of Wilder.
     
  7. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I know a lot of people are counting Wilder out of a 3rd fight given his performance in the rematch, but I see a very determined Wilder who will not make the mistake he made in the rematch. That elaborate entrance which weighed him down and made him tired before a punch was thrown. Wilder won't make that mistake again, and I see Fury as a guy who is starting to become overconfident and is starting to believe his own hype. Just watching that footage of Wilder in training he looks like a completely different fighter.

    Wilder could come out like a bat out of hell in a 3rd fight. And I really think that what happened to Saunders rattled Fury to his core. Psychologically that's gonna mess with Fury and he's gonna see flashes of Billy's eye getting caved in when he gets in the ring with Wilder a 3rd time. I could be wrong but I just think that Wilder is going to give Fury hell and Wilder really is super determined to get in the best shape of his life and make sure that what happened in the rematch won't happen again.
     
  8. Unforgiven

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    Neither of them are frauds. They'd be fighting each other on August 14th in Saudi Arabia IF the judge at the arbitration hadn't ruled in Wilder's favour.
    I'm not sure why so many people want to overcomplicate it.
    Fury and Joshua want to fight each other but a judge has decided that Fury's still contractually obliged to face Wilder next.
    And in that case, Joshua must face Usyk, his mandatory.
     
  9. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    I never said any of them were frauds:eyebrow2:
     
  10. split_decision

    split_decision Electronic information tampers with your soul Full Member

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  11. chacal

    chacal F*** the new normal Full Member

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    the body builder is saying what?

    who cares?...

    Long time ago I said this and that about fury, but I cant any more. Fury proved he can box, and shut my mouth up. The body builder is still running away from a fat meatball who partied non-stop instead of training. If fury trains for this fight properly, the body builder has zero chances. Because fury is a boxer, and the body builder is... well... a body builder. Windmill Wilder has bigger chances vs fury than the body builder, I would say.
     
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  12. Dodgy Syrup

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    I must admit, I am incredibly disappointed the fight isn't going ahead on August 14th.

    Instead, we get to see another Wilder v Fury fight which is really not what most people care about anymore.

    The only hope is this all works out and they can get it on by the end of the year...though, I'll be honest, I'm doubtful.
     
  13. ruffryders

    ruffryders Active Member Full Member

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    People like to pull this one up.

    AJ & Wilder were negotiating prior to Wilder Fury 1.....Dazn CEO accepts he messed that deal, not wilder not AJ.

    After Wilder Fury 1, Wilder gave Fury his WORD that he would rematch him, so passed on AJ to keep his WORD.

    Honourable and not chasing money!

    Something we keep saying we want from fighters and respect from fighters.



    Wilders bad parts everyone loves to go on about are the excuses he said after his first loss. Which is common with boxers and very common to sack their trainers.

    Fury is a proven drug cheat, lier, fake, pretends to give money to homeless, involved with corrupt people, ego crazed maniac who is more interested in talking down men who put their will where mr fury doesn't approve....but wilder is the bad guy because he spoke his opinion.
     
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