Tysons Punching Power vs Foremans power

You don't lose power by gaining weight, that's silly.
Opponents are more durable.
Which is an advantage negated by power of the likes of Louis, Dempsey, Rocky, etc.

 

James Toney had a much smaller frame and went toe to toe with Sam Peter, give me a break.

 

mcvey can hang onto Marcianos legs trying to hold him back from succeeding, and he'll still hit like a ton of bricks.

 

Oh but I do grasp it pal.

 

You see time and again fighters going up in weight and not being able to produce the ko's they did at their original,weight that is the crux of it. They are facing men with a bigger body mass and so ,by and large, there punches do not have the same affect on them.

 

I've no wish to hinder Marciano in any way.I've repeatedly called him a great champion and a fine man I have no issue with him at all.He had a great career and ducked no one.
My issue is with immature fan boys who make silly statements about him, wild claims, and exaggerations that would have deeply embarrassed him since he was a modest,unnasuming man, with a genuine humility ,who was quietly confident in his own ability, but never made any claim to having "subtle skills" "underated defence" or "superhuman power" all of which have been made on his behalf by foolish, revisionist, hero worshippers of him. on this forum.

 

One example who gets trotted out on every occasion,what is conveniently forgotten ,is of course that Toney was a defensive wizard,a master at taking the sting out of shots ,so avoiding their full impact .Does that sound like Marciano to you. NUMB NUTS?

 

If you gain weight then maybe that extra weight with slow you down and if you can't throw your punches as fast as you could before then of course that will affect your power and the impact of your punches

 

They lost power when they moved up in weight because they were hitting on bigger men how dumb are you that you can't grasp that?

 

No you don't. Let me break it down.

When posters say a fighter loses their power when moving up they mean in relation to their opponents, which is the only way we have of measuring power anyway. A feather fisted heavy would hit like a truck at a lower weight, objectively speaking, but it doesn't stop them being an ineffective puncher at their weight class. Similarly, a power punching dynamo at a much lighter weight would find their devastating power no more than a blip at heavy.

There's also a natural limit to how much weight a fighter can put on before you reach the point of diminishing returns. It doesn't follow that because one fighter was able to move up and retain power that the same would be true of every fighter in that weight class. Rocky was a smallish man with a smallish frame, and was already slow and lumbering at his ideal fighting weight of 185. He also suffered from back issues which would be exacerbated at a higher weight. It's simply not feasible to assume that he would retain his, "brutal punching power" (your words) against men significantly bigger and generally more durable while having to lug around thirty or forty pounds of useless extra muscle or fat.

Thirdly, while it's a matter of record that Rocky knocked out men bigger than himself, his opponents were mostly far smaller than the sorts of fighters he'd be fighting in a more modern era, and therefore less likely to be as durable. His punching power would therefore have to be reevaluated at the higher weight, since big men tend to take bigger punches on average and Rocky didn't fight enough of them to eliminate outliers.

 

Lol.
I currently have 2 people on ignore Mac and just by coincidence both are from Yorkshire.
Wouldn't surprise me if Chokab lived there as well!

 

Marciano never proved he could render a prime quality 200lbs + fighter unconscious,whereas the two other examples provided by Reznik in his sadly misguided attempt at sarcasm ,namely Louis and Dempsey did.

 

Those cloth cap, whippet owners are definitely stubborn, eeh by gum!

 

And you're from Fantasy Island.......

 

Must be all the triple strength builder's tea they consume on an hourly basis fortifying their ornery glands.