Tyson's resume is no where near as good as Wlad's

To be honest, that's a fairly good competition, but none of those guys were ever considered something special, except for Holmes, but he was obviously past his best and came out of retirement to fight Tyson. To suggest than those wins are better than the wins of someone who has been beating the best in the division for nearly a decade is ridiculous.

 

hes not suggesting that at all, hes suggesting its better than wlads.

 

Yeah, cuz Wlad couldnt handle a glass jawed journeyman who couldnt go 8 without gassing, a LHW whose power would make Malik Scott look like Shavers, and a journeyman whose best win ever is Jose Ribalta.....:huh

Yeah, Wlad coulda lined those guys up in a night and has 3 KO1s if he took a notion to it.:yep

 

The better resume is a good discussion, but if you are talking prime vs prime, Tyson drops him in ugly fashion pretty quickly IMO.

Wlad's longevity is impressive, but Tysons peak was higher. matter of what you prefer.

 

Boxing publications chronicling professional boxing at the time of Tyson's greatness dismissed his opponents as being the worst ever heavyweight division.

 

I was there thru all of both. IMO Tyson much better at peak. Wlad career better.

 

Tyson double digit ahead of Wlad on ATG list


Mike Tyson
Youngest Heavyweight champion of all time
Youngest Undisputed Heavyweight champion
Beat prime Undefeated ATG Spinks
Beat past prime ATG Holmes

Wladimir Klitschko
Didn't try to beat Tyson record although he had a chance
Never was Undisputed let alone youngest at that
Never beat an ATG in his prime
Never beat an ATG past his prime


Wladimir had the clout to try and challenge all Tyson accomplishments, he never tried...:nono

 

:rofl

 

to those that think this is about mike tyson...please do your homework on a man called David Tua

 

He thinks Spinks was in his prime when he fought Tyson

 

If you look at overall quality of opponents then I guess it's not a million miles apart, but if you look at the performances against those opponents, then the difference becomes pretty obvious for me.

Peak for peak Tyson is just far more devastating and dominant. He had an awful night in Tokyo where he literally almost didn't train at all, and his opponent had a career-best performance. The only disappointing fight at his best was against Smith, who chose to hold and run.
Also, any chance to get the title back was scuppered when he went to prison.

People also tend to just think of the obvious statistics...but who transcended the sport? Tyson became not only pound for pound the best fighter in the sport (an achievement no heavyweight since him has managed to do) but he became a cultural icon. He was larger than boxing and that is worldwide, not just in America.
He was also the biggest drawcard in the sport by miles...and at his peak, the highest paid sportsman on earth. There is a reason for that.

Wlad has nothing that comes close to that. Not even close.

It's also incredibly disingenuous to call Spinks and Holmes terrible opponents, although considering the source, expected.
Spinks was unbeaten and a legitimate ATG light-heavyweight and the lineal heavyweight champ.
Holmes was past his best to be fair, but he still had some juice in the tank as evidenced by what he did years later.
Tyson brutalised both quickly and decisively and nobody before or since had ever done that to Holmes.

Then you look at the quality of Austin, Pianetta, Wach, Mormeck etc? C'mon...anyone with eyes can see the difference.
But 20/20 vision and a functioning brain are in short supply around here.

 

Spinks was 31 years old, Undefeated 31-0

It's hard to discount Tyson...The Klitschko biggest problem is that they felt they were one entity, they revenged for each other, Co-held the 4 belts. Brotherly and nice, but didn't help their ATG legacy

Wladimir is active so he can still change this, by becoming Undisputed and increasing tile defenses #

He should become Undisputed and defend the Undisputed title until he loses, hopefully he can reach a big #

Fans opinions don't really influence as much as achievements, if you are a fan email Wladimir to stick around & keep fighting till he loses. Since he has nothing to lose and more to gain

Trying to discount Tyson exceptional feats, will not make Wlad current resume higher :nono

 

GTFOH! Tua was the Wilder of the 90s knocking out cans and taxi drivers. Unlike Tua though, Wilder hasnt stepped up yet.

name me David Tuas top 10 greatest kos (over quality opposition) and tell me with a straight face he was better than Tyson.

Tua was a fat overrated turd who keeps promising comebacks and then does **** all

Mike Tyson was head and shoulders above David Tua.

Comparing the two is like comparing a Rolls Royce with a Honda, totally different class.

Mitch Green - Tyson couldnt Ko this guy, Mitch Green boxed on for a further 20 years after facing Tyson, no one ever stopped him.

Smith - stunk the fight out so bad and did his best to hug and hold to make it to the final bell, one of the worst fights ever. And Smith should have been Dqd

Tillis - Tysons first step up, he was still green and fighting an experienced journeyman whod been in with Biggs, Coetzee, Frazier, Witherspoon, Williams, Page, Thomas, Shavers and Weaver before facing Tyson.

Tucker - the only guy who fought both Lewis/Tyson (apart from Holyfield) and was stopped by neither, he also fought much better versions of both Tyson and Lewis than Holy did. Between them Tyson/Lewis Kod Bruno, Botha, Biggs, Golota and Ruddock, but neither was able to KO Tucker. Tucker was undefeated and was the IBF champion when Tyson faced him.

Berbick - Tyson was the first and only guy to KO Berbick, he boxed on for another 14 years and was never stopped again. Berbick was the champ whod been in the ring with the likes of Holmes, Ali (I know), Tate, Page, Thomas. Some of the better fighters of that period.

Thomas - Tyson was the first guy to Ko Thomas. Thomas was a former world champion who been in with the likes of Berbick, Tillis, Coetzee, Witherspoon, Weaver

Holmes - Tyson was the first and only guy to ever Ko Holmes and Holmes boxed into his 50s. Holmes went on to face Holyfield and even stole a few rounds from him, he beat (Ray Mercer who some say beat Lewis), he also fought Mcall (who Kod Lewis). Nobody ever destroyed Holmes the way Tyson did.

Spinks - Undefeated and Tyson was the first and only guy to KO Spinks. Spinks had never been down before in his career and had wins over Holmes, Cooney, Qawi, Eddie Mustafa Muhammad

Biggs - was undefeated and Tyson was the first person to Ko him. Biggs was a Superheavy Gold Medallist, Tyson toyed with him.

Tubbs - Former world champion. Tyson was the first person to Ko Tubbs and he did it in 2 rounds, something Bowe struggled to pull off. Tubbs had fought guys like Jimmy Young, Bonecrusher Smith, Page and Witherspoon.

Mathis Jr - fought Bowe, Biggs, Williams. Tyson was the first to stop him

Savarese - Fought Holyfield, Foreman, Izon, Grant, Buster Douglas. Tyson was the only one who stopped him in one round.

Ruddock - has a controversial loss to David Jaco apparently the fight was stopped due to him having an asthma attack, Tyson was the first guy to properly TKO Ruddock.

Etienne - would go on to beat Brewster (who beat you know who), he fought Valuev, Oquendo, Botha, Brock. Tyson was the only one who Kod him in 1rd

Stewart -fought Foreman, Holyfield, Moorer, Maskaev. Tyson was the only one who stopped him in one round.

Bruno - lost to punchers like Witherspoon, Lewis and Smith. Tyson stopped him twice, both times quicker than the rest.

Williams - fought Tillis, Holmes, Ferguson, Weaver, Cooper, Morrison, Berbick, Witherspoon, Bruno. Tyson was the only one to KO him in one round

These guys werent ATGS but they werent bums either, and Tyson was wiping the floor with them.

Stop comparing him to the likes of Tua, whos best win is Moorer. Is it really immpressive Koing a glass jawed fighter in one round when hed been knocked down and knocked out numerous times before?

Tua struggled to Ko Maskaev, a guy Mcall iced in one round.
Tuas other notable victories include Izon, Rahman and Oquendo and Ruiz, hardly the murderers row.

 

I'd give Tyson the edge in competition, his early career is hideously underrated.

A lot of Tyson's opponents were tough MFs, came to win and should have been stylistic nightmares for him, but he beat each one convincingly and against all sorts of physical odds, outboxing much taller boxers, beating them to the jab etc etc.

 

I love the irony, that Tyson fought weak opposition and Lewis is greater.

Tyson fought bums like Botha, Golota, Ruddock, Tucker, Bruno, Biggs
Lewis fought good fighters like Botha, Golota, Ruddock, Tucker, Bruno, Biggs

Tysons best wins are overrated, he beat an old Holmes and a former LHW Spinks
Lewis is great, he has wins over a shot Mike Tyson and an old former CW Holyfield.

Is Lewis' win over Holyfield really that much better than Tysons over Holmes? Holmes went on to put on good performances (for his age) against Mercer, Mcall and Holyfield. Holyfield, after the Lewis loss, would go on to lose to the likes of Byrd and Ruiz.

Admittedly Lewis is slightly better due to how he avenged his losses and finished his career.

But the difference between the 2 isnt as wide as people make it out.

Holyfield not only beat Tyson but performed much better against all mutual opposition, except Stewart.

Apart from Holyfield, Tyson destroyed all mutual opposition with Bowe in much betterv fashion. Bowe was retired by Golota because he was shot, but what was Tyson when he fought Golota? (and made him quit)

Between them Tyson/Bowe fought Golota, Mathis, Seldon, Ferguson, Biggs, Tubbs. Tyson beat them all much more convincingly. Bowe obviously has the win over Holyfield though