U.S.A. vs. Europe at 160-200+

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  1. David Fanning

    David Fanning Internet Tuff Guy Full Member

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    If these five fights were made on one card, hypothetically, who comes away with the most victories, U.S.A. or Europe? I gave the U.S. a break in the heavyweight matchup and gave the Euros a break in the cruiserweight matchup, to make it that much more interesting.

    Kelly Pavlik vs. Felix Sturm
    Andre Ward vs. Arthur Abraham
    Chad Dawson vs. Zsolt Erdei
    B.J. Flores vs. Marco Huck
    Eddie Chambers vs. David Haye
     
  2. David Fanning

    David Fanning Internet Tuff Guy Full Member

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    No, everybody just knows they'd both spank Chambers, so why bother asking....and Cunningham already beat Huck, so why bother there?
     
  3. Robney

    Robney ᴻᴼ ᴸᴼᴻᴳᴲᴿ ᴲ۷ᴵᴸ Full Member

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    Chambers vs Haye was the doubt bet for me... but he has no punch so I guess Haye barely on points. So it can go either way actually 2-3 or 3-2 or even 2.5-2.5.
    If it was against one of the K's it would be Europe for sure
     
  4. Big Left

    Big Left Boxing Addict Full Member

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    well the Super 6 will answer some of the question and so far Europe is on top, infact I feel Ward is the only good American fighter in it, but SMW has never been known for great American fighters.

    Personally I think it is too even to call - America is not as dominate, in past good fighters who only fought in Europe were considered unproven but now days I think that it is accept that a fighter who devolps in Europe can easily be world class (examples Joe Calzaghe or AA).

    On the match ups:


    Kelly Pavlik vs. Felix Sturm (Pavlik)
    Andre Ward vs. Arthur Abraham (Abraham)
    Chad Dawson vs. Zsolt Erdei (Dawson)
    B.J. Flores vs. Marco Huck (dont know)
    Eddie Chambers vs. David Haye (Haye)
     
  5. Big Left

    Big Left Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Not sure I think Chambers is gonna be crap. America has no good heavyweights right now so their TV networks are taking average fighters and letting them beat cans until they have a decent enough record to get a pay day against the K-Bros.

    At least Haye is a proven champ at CW not someone who has been built up for the American market just so they can have a HW contender. I mean Arreola is a total joke, a ****ing club fighter who can not stay in shape, Chambers might be better but he has already been beating by another contender.
     
  6. ImElvis666

    ImElvis666 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I noticed you picked the weaker of the European fighters against the stronger American fighters.

    Heavyweight:
    Wlad beats any American
    Vitali beats any American
    David Haye most likely beats any American.

    Light Heavyweight:
    Chad Dawson beats any European.
    Hopkins beats Erdei.

    Supermiddle:
    More quality in Abraham, Bute, Froch and Kessler than Ward, Direll, Green and Taylor.

    Middleweight:
    America have Pavlik who would be favourite to beat anyone in the division but they have nobody else. Overall Europe has more quality.

    The only division from 160 that America is running is Lightheavy weight. Europe is better in all the rest (with the exception of Pavlik being the top dog at 160)
     
  7. Atlanta

    Atlanta Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Kelly Pavlik vs. Felix Sturm (Sturm)
    Andre Ward vs. Arthur Abraham (Ward)
    Chad Dawson vs. Zsolt Erdei (Dawson)
    B.J. Flores vs. Marco Huck (Never seen either one, so I'll call a draw)
    Eddie Chambers vs. David Haye (Haye)

    So the score is 2.5 to 2.5
     
  8. David Fanning

    David Fanning Internet Tuff Guy Full Member

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    What are you talking about? I picked the best European fighters from each division except the heavyweights. I made up for it by picking America's 2nd best cruiserweight to go against the best one Europe has. I don't see what the problem is. Which European middleweight is better than Sturm? Which European supermiddleweight is better than Abraham? Which European lightheavyweight is better than Erdei? Which European cruiserweight is better than Huck?
     
  9. anarci

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    Pavlik ko
    Ward ud
    Dawson ud
    Flores Huck? thats a pick em match
    Chambers Haye another pickem match
     
  10. ImElvis666

    ImElvis666 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yeah you left out Klits and many would argue that Dawson is the top Lightheavy. I think he would KO Hopkins. Doesn't matter anyway as both would whoop any European. So if you were to match up the best against the best:
    Wlad beats Chambers
    Don't know enough about the Cruiserweights
    Dawson beats Erdei
    Abraham or Bute beat Ward
    Golovkin beats Pavlik (Controversial, I know)
     
  11. David Fanning

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  12. DemolitionDan

    DemolitionDan ATG and HoF Full Member

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    Kelly Pavlik vs. Felix Sturm- I've got Pavlik by KO
    Andre Ward vs. Arthur Abraham- Ward by UD
    Chad Dawson vs. Zsolt Erdei- Dawson by UD
    B.J. Flores vs. Marco Huck- Huck by KO
    Eddie Chambers vs. David Haye- Haye by KO

    3-2 in favor of USA, IMO.
     
  13. Auracle21

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    ward would beat abraham for the record
     
  14. David Fanning

    David Fanning Internet Tuff Guy Full Member

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    I could easily see the U.S. making a clean sweep.
     
  15. TFFP

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    I think the US would win 4/5 of those matches for sure, I could see Haye beating Chambers. Then again Chambers could win too.

    I don't think the US has the overall strength in these divisions though in terms of depth.