UFC 145 salarys

I'm not entirely sure what's relevant about the second point - surely if its due to the event doing better that still proves my point that the base pay is just that, a minimum amount they could earn. As you know its next to impossible to get hard and fast figures for UFC fighters although the example of Roop's statement is the most recent.

The most public look at a UFC contract is Randy Couture's. And that showed far from earning the £250,000 reported he actually earned $936,000 for his fight against Sylvia and got a $500,000 bonus open signing his new contract. Equally Overeem's contract details came out which showed that he was earning significantly more than the numbers reported by NSAC after UFC 141.

It'd be great if we had the real figures for every fighter or at least some concrete figures from Zuffa (perhaps like how the BBC does where they release typical salaries for certain types of employees) but the lack of them doesn't excuse pretending that these figures are more than they are.

 

That is not true Sir and I'd prefer it if you would not call me a liar.

He did get paid a larger flat rate for M1 and BAMMA if I recall correctly... look it up as I can not be bothered.

Either way $8K is a joke as the flat rate... it should be at least $24K.

Lynchburg

 

Again, you do not know how much they were paid in bonus', so that doesnt excuse the fact that, £8000 for a co-main event is a joke. And if I remember correctly, the $500000 bonus Randy got was AFTER he tried to quit the UFC because the Fedor fight would earn him more money. Tim Sylvia did exactly the same thing

 

Nope. It was for returning to the main roster. But Couture has said things got better after his walkout/Affliction.

As I said I don't take the base numbers seriously for the reasons I explained. For example nobody in boxing pays the blind bit of notice to the payroll released by the commissions because they know its bogus.

I think there's an argument for introducing minimum rates for certain spots on the card i.e. all main card fighters get $25,000min, all semi-main get $50,000min, etc etc. But to be honest I think there's a fairly small issue and is really about PR.

What's more important is working out a way where fighters get a bigger chunk of the pie and there's more transparency about what fighters earn. I have no doubt that there's good reasons on both Zuffa and the fighters part to keep their incomes secret but the lack of honesty about how much different types of fighters earn makes it impossible for managers to fairly negotiate.

A collctive bargaining agreement would be best, with a systm worked out where fighter remuneration have to come to a certain percentage of the monies coming into the sport. Not sure how you do that although you wouldn't want it to be done event by event because you want to give Zuffa the ability to subsdize shows in new markets with the money they make in more established ones. A key point to me is that it shouldn't just be salaries we focus on but also things like subsistence funds, pensions and reeduction grants for retiring fighters. If boxing has taught us anything its that if you give fighters a lot of money then they will spend a lot of money. Ideally MMA builds some sort of structure to prevent cases like Ken Shamrock happening.

 

The fighters earn a lot less than they should, their salaries have been disputed from all angles but at the end of the day Dana will throw bull**** like the luster and privilege of fighting in the worlds biggest promotion speil down your neck like any other mafioso type figure.

 

Stick to what actually is happening. Fighter payouts are roughly 7% of the total PPV/gate revenue earned last year...For the fighters to receive 55% of the revenue of an average show like Lorenzo claims, the UFC would have to award just under $9.5 million in bonuses per show, according too one article

 

I'm sorry you can't tell me to look at what is actually happening and then expect me to seriously engage with the idea that only 7% of revenues go towards fighters when we know for a FACT that one of the headliners for the last show of the year earned $2million...and he was certainly not the highest paid fighter on that card.

If you actually look at that interview with ESPN Lorenzo actually says that what they pay is closer to what major sports pay (i.e. 55%) than it is to th 7% ESPN put to him. When ESPN ask him do they pay close to 50% he says 'yes' but is never pushed as to how close. Depending on how you look at it, 26% is close to 50%.

For the record I don't think they pay anywhere close to 50% of their income. I'm also not sure they need to to be fair to the fighters.

 

UFC 141 – 800,000 buy rate $45 x 800000 =...

 

Yes because the cable companies distribute UFC pay per views out of the goodness of their hearts.

The rule of thumb is that combat sports on pay per view the promoter gets around 45% - could be higher, could be lower. The rest stays with the cable company carrying the content.

Meltzer tried to work out how much of UFC 140's revenue went to fighters and came up the estimate 28%. An estimate he thought was more likely to be an underestimate than an overestimate.

And consider what Rebney said yesterday. Bellator could not match the UFC's offer for HECTOR LOMBARD as it contained clauses that related to 'monetized pay per view' i.e. ppv points. So even someone as low down the pecking order as Lombard is getting a cut of the ppv action.

 

not including gate, foreign TV revenue, sponsors, merchandise, DVD sales ect

 

No Meltzer based his estimate on all revenues

 

so 26 mil out to the fighters. 500 mil in?

sounds like a business id like to run

 

Where did you get 26mil from?

 

A more reliable source than the discretionary bonus one...

 

So let me get this right.

You actually believe that if Overeem fights twice in a year and both ppvs do 800,000 he takes home around 16% of the total UFC fighter wagebill?

I'm clearly wasting my time.