UFC 285 - Jon Jones vs Ciryl Gane RBR

Discussion in 'MMA Forum' started by Kapparino, Mar 4, 2023.

  1. fruitandnutcase

    fruitandnutcase Member Full Member

    Feb 12, 2022
    Honestly bro I ain't a huge Bones fan (Blaydes is my guy at 205+ and DP has been my favourite fighter for years) but I couldn't care less about Jon popping when you have borderline Phil Heaths like Usman and Chandler walking around and the UFC have the CHEEK to give them jackets for ''50 clean tests'' or whatever noise. Some of GSP's appearances were also sus. You compare the physiques of some of these unranked guys to those in the top 5 and this ''everyone is natty except JBJ, TJ etc.'' narrative falls apart
  2. kirk

    kirk l l l Staff Member

    Jul 26, 2004
    I was kinda wondering the same thing. To me I kinda feel the heavyweight division has been exposed a bit.
  3. KO KIDD

    KO KIDD Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Oct 5, 2009
    Is there anyone you'd confidently pick to beat Jones? If Jones hadn't existed and Francis never came back would Gane have his time in the sun?
  4. Badbot

    Badbot I Am An Actual Pro. Full Member

    Apr 17, 2011
    Both 205 and 205+ are absolute doo-doo divisions. That´s why even the hardcore fans and media say things like "best striker at HW". Most of heavyweight striking has been pretty bad. Miocic was the first really clean striker the UFC had in a while. His jab was basic but it absolutely wrecked his opponents.
    Heavyweight is getting better with new talent like Tom Aspinall and Ciril Gane. But fat cavemen like Tuivasa can still make their way to the top.
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  5. Badbot

    Badbot I Am An Actual Pro. Full Member

    Apr 17, 2011
    And Cormier could have beat Stipe again had he found a way to adapt to those body shots. Miocic pulled a miracle out of his ass in the second fight. Cormier liked to hold out both of his hands forward, palms forward like a day one boxer. This allowed him to out-jab taller opponents, including Stipe. And it made his opponents punch in straight lines, giving Cormier ample opportunities to defend himself.
    In the third fight Cormier decided to fight most of the fight without that tactic because it left his body open, something Miocic took advantage in the second fight. So Stipe jabbed the **** out of him in the first two rounds. Then Cormier started reaching again and got back into the fight because he could now deal with the jab. Ironically, Stipe himself stopped focusing on the body.
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  6. KO KIDD

    KO KIDD Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Oct 5, 2009
    Rahman did the same vs Lennox in the rematch it was puzzling
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  7. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

    Sep 15, 2009
    The HW division is weak imo.

    Both Miocic and Francis have made their names against guys at the end of their career.

    Overeem, Werdum, Dos Santos, Velasquez.

    And the next level guys like Jairzinho, Lewis and Blaydes are all a bit crap as well.

    Francis, he was the next big thing but he did get schooled by Miocic first time out and had the bizarre loss to Lewis.

    Miocic is consensus HW GOAT which I don't really have an issue with but I'd be shocked if he turned the trick against Jones.

    But Jones is clearly the P4P GOAT. Followed by GSP imo.
  8. N17

    N17 Obsessed with Boxing banned Full Member

    Feb 16, 2013

    Let's go through my picks..


    All spot on, Errr rather easy picks to be fair, nothing spectacular or Nostradamus like but anyway...

    Jon Jones correct pick but wrong method. Jones made that look too easy, just ridiculous.

    Valentina, completely wrong but I don't think many would have picked against her, a rather big upset.

    I'll give myself 5 out of 10 for effort.
  9. KelandBeave

    KelandBeave Fab 4 Full Member

    Jun 27, 2013
    Jones is in trouble with any HW that can last the first rd, he is way out of shape.