Rua was gassed far too early in the fight with Griffin without good reason and so Griffin's heart and solid technique prevailed. Rua has some serious cardio work to do as he was horrendous. He gave up his back numerous times and if Griffin had superior ground skills the fight would have been over a lot sooner. I have only heard of Rua by reputation and feel none the wiser as I feel his conditioning let him down to such an extent that he failed to display what he supposedly has. Very interested in seeing him use more technical skills than he showed in this fight. Good fight by Griffin though, very solid except his lack of submission skills
:yep People forget so quickly that Rampage and A. Silva were pride rejects. Yet they both destroyed the Ufc poster boys. And too everyone else, at one time pride was superior. In between 2005-6 ufc fighters started to catch up.
That may be, but for the time being Shogun got his ass whooped and won me some vCash! As I often state regarding Fedor Emalienenko, no one is invincible.
What you forgetting is they test for juice in the US so your hero's have suddenly lost their super power and are now human just like everyone else. A bad day at the office? pleeeeeaase don't kid yourself, CC doesn't even look like the same guy anymore and Shogun lost to a TUF fighter that you had made fun of repeaditly and don't worry Wanderleigh is going down again, without juice he's not the axe murder anymore he's the fly swater.
I think the Ocatagon vs Ring has a lot to do with Pride guys not doing as good in UFC events. I much prefer the ring to the octagon, as I hate the way the octagon can be used for defensive purposes. Still, the Pride guys have fared very poorly in the UFC so far, does give some credence to the juice arguments.
The truth is out right now. If you removed yourself from belonging to a fictional "team" that no longer exists for that matter, you would see this.
Wow steroids is truly a wonder drug! **** it even gives fighters skills! Get of that rhetoric BS it makes no dam sense. Lets keep it real.The PRIDE fighters so far that have lost that were big guns are just 2.Thats right 2 names and everyone seems to be ready to write off PRIDE as though it was a fad.Lets compare Cro Cop and Rua`s resume to that of Kongo Gonzaga and Griffin. Actually lets not because you know what the case in point already is.:good As far as i can see the cage/ring makes little diffrence.A fight is a fight and any trained fighter should be able to fight under any circumstance.The essential diffrences are the rules. A big part of Rua`s game was his foot stomps soccer kicks and knees on a grounded opponent.This was pretty much a Chute Boxe trade mark and has been taken away in the UFC.Wandy will also have a similar problem.Despite the signing i have already said Wandy may have seen better days as his last loss`s in PRIDE were not good at all, so realistically i dont think anyone will be surprised even if he does loose his opening bout. Last nights fight reminded me of Gomi vs Diaz.Gomi like Rua came into the bout undertrained completely uninterested and gassed in the first round.I mean Rua was used to fighting 10min 1st rounds!!!!! NO ONE on planet earth thinks that Diaz is a better fighter than Gomi.The same goes for Griffin Rua.Like i said every dog has its day.Griffin fought like he always does which is 100% everytime credit too him but Rua will be back thats the truth.
Yeah your right.Griffin is the best 205lb fighter in the world now, Gonzaga is the truth, and Kongo will beat Fedor.I can see it all now.PRIDE was a sham, the OWGP wasnt real and all the fighters are on miracle juice (i mean steroids) which makes the game so much better.Because the NSAC test for it in the UFC that means ALL fighters are clean and thus are better than PRIDE fighters.Thank you for that moment of clarity.
Its time to give it up Pride guys were way overrated. This isnt just Crocop and Rua.. though if that doesnt spell it out for you.. you should get your head checked. How about Diaz destroying Gomi. (and yes.. Diaz is better than Gomi. I knew Nick would win that fight.) Jake Obrien(WHO?) over Heath Herring Joe Stevenson and Kenny Florian over Mishima Jeff Monson choking out Fujita Frank Trigg over Misaki Arlovski over Werdum Clay Guida over Marcus Aurelio Ninja Rua getting DESTROYED by Robbie Lawler Machida clearly outclassing Nakamura Yes Rampage and Anderson Silva are doing well... but Anderson is also fighting in the weakest division. Don't take that the wrong way. Anderson is clearly incredibly talented. I think he has improved a ton on the ground since pride. Hell.. Anderson hasn't even been in Pride since 2004. Rampage I've always thought was made for the cage. The Pride myth was that their fighters were far and away better than the guys in the UFC. People acted like Heath frickin Herring would walk in and destroy the HW division. Its clearly not true. Look at the facts. The fighters are barely on par.
When did i say it didnt help? I mean why the pedanticism and general fickleness? First UFC huggers asert that PRIDE aint **** and now the accusation is there all on steroids?!?!? I mean WTFatsch Like i said before history will be kind to CC and Rua and there places as MMA legends cannot be discounted.No one is denying LL or Tyson hall of fame status because of there respective loss`s to Douglas and Mccall. The same goes for Rua and CC. The PRIDE fighters were clearly used to a diffrent system,rule, skill set, and fan base.This takes some time to adjust to in the UFC. No one in there right mind thinks Griffin point blank is a better fighter than Rua considering the biggest name on his resume is Stephan Bonnar and a loss to Jardine, whereas Rua has beaten the likes of Randleman,Arona,Overeem,Nakumura,Rampage, and little Nog.Thats a DEEP resume for a guy so young. Please dont tell me you UFC guys have that short memories.atsch
I think the whole point of this is that your the one who talked down about UFC fighters as if they weren't worthy enough to be in the same ring as a pride guy. And no one can take away from any of the accomplishesments of the pride guys. But if I would have told you the original TUF guy would make shogun tap out you would have said they shouldn't even allow the fight.
No one thought Mike Tyson would loose to Buster Douglas so stop talking ****.I never talked down no fighter. I said Liddell wouldnt hold a candle to PRIDE and i was right, he got his ass handed to him again by Rampage and has now lost to Jardine. I said Franklin wouldnt hold a candle to PRIDE and i was right Silva whupped him like a small boy and Hendo is now in the mix at 85 and 205. As for the heavy division it point blank couldnt hold a candle to PRIDES division when it was current. I mean **** me there heavyweight champ was Tim Syvlia!??! NO ONE Including me has ever said UFC fighters were ****. Yeah i was a PRIDE fanboy but im an MMA fan first and certainly not fickle enough to think that guys like Franklin Liddell and Hughes are nobodies because thats BS.So get it right or give it a rest.
Not trying to be a dick, but damn, that's like, exactly the opposite of what actually happened. Jon Fitch decision Diego Griffin sub Shofun in 3 Jardine decision Chuck The only one of those upsets I thought would happen was Fitch, but in my mind it wouldn't have even been an upset. Fitch is the real deal.
Pride IS an overrated org. Once their fighters can't juice anymore, they suck. Somehow Crocop just HAPPENS to not have the strength and muscle endurance he used to. The same with Shogun, for one of the most important fights of his career. Without the roids, Pride fighters just aren't as good. And to clarify. Forrest is better than Shogun. Forrest conditions himself correctly and doesn't use steroids to artificially make himself better. Forrest choked OUT Rua. I would have to not be in my right mind to think Rua is better. If I take a High school football team that goes undefeated, they might look unstoppable. The San Fransisco 49ers last year looked like they could easily be trounced by anyone. But when you get the 49ers to play the HS team, you know what happens.
