Ufc boss dana white targeting testosterone users: 'i'm coming for you'

Discussion in 'MMA Forum' started by scurlaruntings, Feb 17, 2013.


  1. macp1

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    And yes, I also agree that at the very least, the top 5 from each division, even the humble, well loved GSP, is juicing. Only one maybe not is A Silva, but his talent and class is light years ahead of anyone else. Take steroids away from Jon Jones and let's see how well he does lol
     
  2. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    Personally i don't particularly care if fighters juice. What i find painful to abide is the hypocrisy. At least with PRIDE they never tested and didn't care. Zuffa on the hand clearly does not practice what it preaches and and yet it doesn't care, but still wants to feign the moral high ground.
    Allowing fighters to abuse drugs is a very slippery slope though. Watch the Smashing Machine to see what happens to a fighter who was a drug addict.
     
  3. macp1

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    The first example I remember seeing of the effects of steroid abuse was Superstar Billy Graham from WWF. But then Lyle Alzado came around blaming steroids for his brain cancer. It's lies like that which cloud the issue and make educated decisions very difficult.
     
  4. EL BULLY

    EL BULLY Well-Known Member Full Member

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    As the sport grows and gets more mainstream he HAS to say this. Anyone who thinks otherwise is naive. The whole Lance Armstrong thing has brought the issue out of the shadows for while. Normal service will be resumed shortly.
     
  5. kel

    kel Boxing Addict banned

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    Agree, i really don't know what the OP's agenda is here, what's he want White to say?
     
  6. Haggis McJackass

    Haggis McJackass Semi-neutralist Overseer Full Member

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  7. Ne5ville14

    Ne5ville14 Rationalist by default... Full Member

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    Simple, either STFU or do something, but stop being a ****in hypocrite about this !
     
  8. EL BULLY

    EL BULLY Well-Known Member Full Member

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    How can he STFU? With Lance Armstrong's admission and juice being big news at the moment I bet he is being asked about this every opportunity the media get. I doubt it is White bringing it up. He is the face of the worlds leading MMA brand and is trying to break into new markets etc. Some of you lot are like children sometimes. I hate the fact ANY athlete gains an unfair advantage with juice, and I would rather either see better testing or just let it go on unchecked and have an even playing field either way. But The UFC would go backwards so what can he really do? He has to either get rid of nearly all his fighter or break from the athletic commissions and openly allow juicing, both options put the UFC back 15 years or kill it all together. White is a douche but ****ing hell he cannot win here.
     
  9. Chuckle Vision

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    Joe Rogan himself has testosterone treatments.
     
  10. SouthpawSlayer

    SouthpawSlayer Im coming for you Full Member

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    what old man wouldnt want testosterone.....its ****ing super (supposedly)
     
  11. macp1

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    in a less holier than thou society, use of PED's would be fine. Everyone wants to see the best of the best, and that's what juice brings us closer to. You can never fully reach your genetic potential, but use of hormones will bring you 10% closer to that level. However, PC people arrogantly say NO to steroid use, yet rag on their favorite athletes when they dont perform. Since the vast majority of top athletes, men and women, majority of sports, do take something, it comes down to an athlete deciding does he compete on a level playing field, or does he do what Mr. Bob Smith in Oregon think is right, and stay 'clean' (btw, any woman taking birth control or estrogen shouldn't be considered clean any longer by the definition used to describe testosterone users) and lose, lose fights, games, money...
    It would come down to a moral question of what you consider cheating. Is lipstick cheating? Eye shadow? Perfume or cologne? All those things are unnatural, fake if you will. Testosterone, a naturally occuring male hormone, increased lean mass. Those things are natural, real, and occur in nature. Increased amounts of test is unnatural? Well, then so is taking extra vitamins, or protein and other macros beyond your BMR.
    As for Dana, yes, he does have to say that crap and be a hypocrite, because of this society. He must remain politically correct. Police I find, with respect to things like pot, are the same. They dont publicly speak their minds for fear of being crucified. Ever see Jerry Maguire?
     
  12. Ne5ville14

    Ne5ville14 Rationalist by default... Full Member

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    Bingo.

    He allowed the problem to be there in the first place....it's his own ****in fault, now he has to deal with it.

    TBH I don't mind juicing, I consider cutting weight worst cheating then juicing.
     
  13. EL BULLY

    EL BULLY Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The athletic commission allow fighters to undergo TRT with a doctors note, not just the UFC. They call the shots, not the UFC. That's why UFC's n Vegas adhere to the 6:1 ratio. He also is openly critical of the judges, again supplied by the athletic commission. He didn't allow this to happen. If people want to bash Dana fine, I'll join the queue. But this issue is not his fault and his statement was his only course of action. It's getting a bit ridiculous now. I mean bringing up the fact that Dana juices is irrelevant. You can juice all you want if you don't compete in s port where you are not supposed to. Saying Dana juicing makes him a hypocrite is like saying a guy that drinks alcohol is the same as a drunk driver. Drinking is legal, driving while drunk isn't.
     
  14. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    Firstly adherence to a tick box is meaningless. If the TE ratio was 20:1 would that make it any more palatable? The reality is commissions in each state have varying ratios. When a commission mandates a ratio of 1:1 il start to take note.
    Taking hormones other than prescribed by a doctor is illegal. So let me guess Dana and Lorenzo suffer from low test to? A condition that affects literally 1% of the worlds population and yet a sizable portion of the UFC stable have applied for exemptions so they can take them legally? There's an obvious loop hole there which you clearly don't understand.
    So whats Dana and Lorenzo's excuse for being on hormones? Let me guess low TE ratio right? This is clearly lost on your if you can't see the hypocrisy of Dana claiming to be tough on TRT cheats -when he's been the EXACT opposite of that, bearing in mind hormone abuse has been rife since the UFC's inception and hasn't changed since Zufa owned it- when he himself and he boss are on hormones which is illegal.
    As for your analogy its ridiculous. Alchohol is legal. Supply of hormones is not.
     
  15. SouthpawSlayer

    SouthpawSlayer Im coming for you Full Member

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    what!!! your usually a good poster whats happened?