UFC champ Brock Lesnar LOL

As much as i love mma and the ufc . Conditioner101 has a point. The fact Lesner is the champion shows how poor the ufc HW division is.

 

It's a pity we only seem to have absolute statements when the truth is obviously somewhere in between.

While it is true it is very unlikely you could train an athlete from another sport to become a champion in boxing so quickly, that shouldn't take anything away from MMA.

Boxing is extremely specialised, maybe far too much so - which is why boxers through so many rules are becoming further from natural fighters than they ever have been.

Shouldn't a successful fighters weaponry involve equal amounts of skill, technique, speed, timing, strength, power fitness, etc, rather than just a few of these traits?

To see a feather fisted jabber backpeddling all night to steal a title from a slugger thanks to the rules of boxing (think Cory Spinks vs Mayorga) is no more satisfying than seeing a great physical specimen like Brock win an MMA fight thanks to his natural gifts IMO.
At least we know Lesnar would perform ok in a fight with no rules.

Another thing to consider too is that, if boxing is so skill based then why do we have so many weight divisions?
Weight divisions are created to negate strength advantages caused by mass. If this was not such a factor, we would have fewer divisions and fighters jumping all over the place to challenge each other.
Sounds a bit more like MMA doesn't it?

15lb weight gaps rather than the piddley 7 or so between boxing divisions (make that 2 or 3 in the light weights!), while fighters still regularly go up and down for challenges.

 

No it doesn't.
It just shows that MMA is more about natural attributes and real fight qualities rather than the specialised traits needed from a modern boxer.
Lesnar is massively strong, very fast and accurate and has awesome power in his hands with good conditioning.

Saying he would be hopeless as a boxer is like saying Klitchko would be useless as a strong man (incidentally something Brock would also do very well at). Horses for courses, again just shows how speaclised boxing is.

 

MMA is really entertaining. Im a fan but im under no illusion it is on the same skill level as boxing.

Lesner rise to fame is pure proof of this.

It is a thugs game but make no mistake it activates those natural trates all humans possess "DESTRUCTION"

 

Lets hope he doesnt pull a "Benoit"

 

What a lot of absolute rubbish. Lesner has only had 3 wins against poor and shot opposition. If you think he is a great champion then you are an idiot. Oh wait...... you said Lesner has good conditioning. An idiotic statment indeed.

 

That's on you not knowing what you're watching, not on him for not doing what you know. Go to a sub grappling gym and go at it with the smallest instructor you can find. See if your size and strength is all it takes.

Seriously, DO IT. You'll enjoy watching the sport a lot more if you actually know what you're seeing and won't make such a fool of yourself online anymore.

 

well put, Brock kept himself from any possible subs from Mir and made no mistakes unlike his first fight.

 

I find the fact he won the title on his fourth fight a joke. He was an amazing amature wrestler, so what, do you see amazing amature boxers getting title shots after 4 fights?

IMO fighters should prove themselves, Lesnar bypassed a ****-load of HW's who've been working there asses off for years. It's a slap in the face to those guys.

 

Heh, well put. I ignore sports I hate. I don't watch them and I don't discuss them.
But after each UFC we're presented with all this hate. Why? Because they feel UFC is a threat to boxing? Good. Competition is healthy.
I hope boxing does see UFC as a threat. The only result will be better fights - in both sports.

 

There is a difference between amateur boxing and amateur wrestling. Wrestling's best are often amateurs. Alexander Karelin was an amateur wrestler as recently as his last Olympic performance. What you're saying is like stating Ray Mercer, with his limited boxing experience, is trying his hand at mma.

 

Lesnar is awful his fights are boring as hell all the guy wants to do is tackle his opponent and lay on top of him. He is MMA's version of John Ruiz.

 

What? Saying Lesnar would be hopeless as a boxer is a FACT. He looked like an idiot on his feet last night, he was completely uncomfortable and looked like nothing more than a mid-level amatuer.

And really, where is this POWER that everybody says he has? How many fights has he finished due to ONE PUNCH? NONE.

 

Size, strength and athleticism took him very, very FAR last night and in his MMA career. And he hardly put on a grappling clinic last night either. What he did last night against Mir was basic fundamentals compounded with his size, strength and athleticism which enabled him to get into that position in the first place.

 

When did I say that Lesnar was a great champion?
He is an absolute amateur by MMA standards and has so much to learn, which of course makes his quick rise to the top even more impressive.
Given his skills are still basic he has survived so far on athleticism, strength and power - which he has in heaps.

Sure he hasn't proved himself against enough opposition yet, but he has looked extremely dominant apart from a minor flaw which Mir was able to take advantage of first time around.
Imagine if someone had said a few years ago that he would have beaten Courture, Herring and Mir claiming the heavyweight title all after 4 fights?

Even using every excuse in the book about his opposition being "washed up" it's still an awesome achievement so far.