UFC fighters vs. Boxers : Who wins?

As I was saying in the grappler vs striker thread, the results of the poll would probably be different if you asked this question in a UFC or MMA forum.

 

In MMA fight I would rather be a boxer.
If I lose it will be by me throwing the towel when my opponent puts me in a lock.
If I was a grappler fighting against boxer and I lose it will be by brutal KTFO that will send me straight to the wonderland.
In K-1 fight it will be 60-40 for the boxer, in MMA - 70-30 for the MMA fighter

 

Why the **** does it not count unless there's an "elite" boxer who tries mma? If every mediocre boxer who fights a mediocre mma guy loses, then why would it be so different when an elite mma guy fought an elite boxer? Why did Matt Skelton lose to Tom Erikson? Because a double leg takedown is a much more high percentage attack than a punching combination, particularly if the person being shot on has no idea how to defend it. Punches are at a moving target and to have anything on them your feet need to be set. Also, punches can be covered up against for short periods by someone without a ton of training. Moving your legs to avoid a takedown though is a lot harder than moving your head to avoid punches and to stop a takedown you need to know how to fight it off once they get a hold of you. If you don't know this, you're going down WAY more regularly than the wrestler would from the first flurry a boxer throws.

I suggest you all try this and see what happens. Put on your bag gloves and have some friend of yours try to take you down. If they wrestled in high school, see how easily they can take you down? If not, just count how many times they can get a clinch or get a hold of your leg before you can land a knockout series of punches on them. You'll see real quick why the extra distance you get from knowing how to leg kick means that pure boxers are at a disadvantage relative to kick boxers. You'll also notice that the second you adjust your stance to try to protect yourself against takedowns your boxing technique will start to look sloppy and you'll get a lot more squared up than you normally would. Really, try this and you'll get a whole new appreciation for both sports. You'll also hopefully not make anymore of these stupid ****ing threads where your whole argument rests on "average boxers may always lose to average mma guys, but PBF would be invincible!" bull****.

 

Because this is a boxing forum and a majority of people here are biased in favour of boxing. And I suspect many here have never actually sparred in an MMA context before.

 

Very solid reasoning.

 

I agree with that.

I find it interesting that in the other thread about Muay Thai fighter vs Boxer, the crude poll indicates that the muay thai fighter as an advantage. But once you start talking about MMA fighters, most people here say the boxer has the advantage.

 

they always under estimate MMA fighters..,the best fighters in all combat sports. imo

 

One thing I find rather amusing is it seems like many boxing fans who hate MMA think that us MMA fans believe that MMA fighters are better boxers than boxers.
I know very few MMA fans (short of the rabidly ignorant ones) who believe this.

Thus, when Ray Mercer KO'd Sylvia, was it really all that shocking? The sole reason one might have favoured Sylvia is because Mercer is absolutely ancient. But even then, most people were picking Mercer if it were fought as strictly a boxing match. (rumour was that they agreed to stay standing up even though it was technically an MMA match).

There's not a single elite MMA fighter who I would pick to win against an elite boxer in a boxing match. It wouldn't even be close. If anyone disagrees with this statement speak up.
If not, let us finally put this silly idea to rest that any MMA fan's on this board hold this point of view.

 

In a street fight, the MMA fighter will win most times, its not rocket science, if the boxer hits him clean its over tho.

 

I agree 100%

Thats the way I have always seen it, its hard to imagine any reasonable person seeing it different TBH.

I wasnt at all shocked by the Mercer-Silvia fight, I was however shocked by the hype afterwards, totally baffling.

 

That's what i been trying to tell these fools. I've fought many times in my high school and college years as well as watch them. Only a few stayed standing. Most of the time they were on the ground. No difference in a street fight.

 

<------------ this homie right here k.o your best mma fighter...

 

In all fairness, he's very very close to the top of the BJJ food chain.

 

Do you really think a boxer would use the same strategy in an MMA or K1 fight? In a boxing match a boxer will happily clinch as he knows the rules dictate he doesn't have to worry about it. A clinch is effectively a time to rest, push his opponent about a bit, but not much else.
In a kickboxing fight a clinch is a whole different kettle of fish - which is why the fighters in the two sports react differently to it.
This is not a limitation of a fighter, rather an example that both are following the rules of their sport.

If the game was different, then a different tactic would be employed. They'd either grapple back or avoid clinches at all costs.

Regarding your take on k1 vs boxing, unfortunately history actually suggests the opposite.
Generally kickboxing (K1 included) attracts a much lower catergory of athletes than boxing.
Of course this is much more to do with money than anything else, as theoretically having more weapons should be an advantage.

Just naming a few Aussies, JWP, Ian Schaffa, Daniel Dawson, who are these nobodies you say?
Well, all were world kickboxing champions yet were barely even good enough to be National boxing champs.
Mark Hunt is good example of a K1 fighter, a 4 time world k1 champion that beat the absolutes best of world kickboxing, yet his boxing record was no wins from 2 fights against mediocre Aussies.

There is absolutely ZERO examples of good boxers in their prime going to K1 so your predictions are meaningless, but we do have many showing kickboxers failing in pro boxing.
The example of Frans Botha is a funny one too. Even at an advanced age and way past his best in boxing (though he was never that good to start with!) he was very unlucky to lose to Remy Bodjansky in a K1 fight with very little experience.

 

Are you saying that it takes an elite boxer in his prime to beat a mediocre kickboxer?

In other words, anything less than an elite prime boxer will have a hard time beating mediocre, no name, sub-standard athlete?