Why's that? I works pretty well in boxing. And I'm damn sure it would work out better for the fighters. I personally think one of the main problems with UFC is they're paying their fighters peanuts, there was one promotion where one of the fighters got paid about 26K, now I don't know who's responsible for the training costs, but my guess is that this probably doesn't even cover that. It's pathetic what these guys get paid relative to the revenues they generate. And this is something I usually don't say, I'm a self employed accountant and I hate unions with a passion, but they're simply trying to create a monopoly so that they fighters have no options. That's one of the reasons Fedor wouldn't fight there. One would think the fighters, since it's their blood and guts being spelt should be entitled to about 50-60% of the revenues generated, my guess, and it's only a guess, is that they're getting about 25-30%. Certainly they're not getting anyway near the purses that Mayweather, and Pacquiao are getting. If this was a UFC they'd be lucky to make a million a piece.
I don't. You can't really have a business model predicated on ripping off those who bring you the revenues. That seems to be the way things currently are. UFC fights make a fraction of what boxers generate for PPV events. Hell ODL probably's make more money than the entire fighting staff of UFC combined. You might think this is a sustainable business model, but I don't, not unless the fighters start getting a bigger slice of the pie.
If you're an accountant, certainly I don't need to explain the reasons Zuffa cannot sanely look at the marginal cost of giving half to M1 the company, In addition to paying Fedor the fighter, and say "yea, that's an even remotely feasable business option."
You seem to be grossly underestating the value of the UFC brand in generating revenue; they can sell fights on the name alone practically. Golden Boy promotions cannot put on a card without superstars and draw viewers and/or turn a profit. Equally, as Afflicition and EliteXC showed, you can have big name fighters and they won't turn an acceptable profit because they don't have the brand behind it to market it.
Exactly. People say, "Hey, UFC is on!" and not, "Lesnar vs. Carwin is tonight!" People buy UFC cards, whereas in boxing, people buy specific fights. No one tunes in to see HBO boxing. They tune in for Pacquiao-Cotto. The UFC isn't going anywhere anytime soon, as much as some people in this thread like to think.
Solid points on both sides of the issue. However no disrespect intended but the issues/solutions in question have been articulated to death over past few years. Frankly it is making my head hurt!:twisted: Perhaps I should start following NCAA football again, there are no controversy/corruption issues there. :hey At least The Tide are rolling again....
Mmm, I think there are parallels to the UFC becoming like the WWE. Not necessarily fake matches, but the experience is transforming into something different when we watch the show.. While not as dramatic and more true to life, Dana White is becoming a lot like Vince McMahon... Latest example of this has been his open distaste for Roy Nelson, then Nelson comming back for a win.. I don't think many people would mind watching someone like Couture show up one day and beat Dana over the head with a chair, and follow up by shaving off one of his eyebrows with some clippers. Just seeing Hulk Hogan on the show made me vomit in my mouth a little.
It is a bit disconcerting that the UFC is co-promoting with pro wrestling. I'd of thought that they would have longer term benefits from their association with real sports. Legitimacy has been a long and hard road for MMA and Dana/UFC have been very important factors in MMAs credibility as a sport. Co-promoting with sports entertainment seems like a step backwards.
Firstly, you're using the term marginal cost in the wrong context. Marginal cost refers to the extra cost of generating an additional dollar in profit, which has nothing to do with this particular discussion. Fact is they get x amount from the gate, x amount from PPV and/or television rights and x amount from advertising. and maybe x amount from DVD sales and things of that nature, for each fight. Now what you can afford to do it pay a fighter a guaranteed minimum, and a % of the revenues derived from PPV and perhaps a small entitlement to the DVD sales. Advertising would seem to be something that the promoters would be entitled to, as the fighter wouldn't have participated in the aspect of generating this income. Promoters would also be entitled to a % of the revenues after expenses. This is pretty much how the boxing world works, don't see why it can't work in the UFC.
Well that's your opinion, not mine. If I hear a list of unknown fighters on a card, I'm not buying it. But if I hear GSP is fighting, or Silva Anderson, my interest is perked as to who they're fighting and if I think it's going to be competitive, I'm looking to watch. And I'm almost damn sure that if PBF and Pacquaio ever sign they'll break any PPV records that the UFC may hold.
So if the brand meant so much, then perhaps Hendo would have resigned. He didn't because he wanted the best economic deal he could get. Tito and a host of other fighters have left the UFC over the same issue. I'm not sure what the difference between the UFC "brand" and their marketing budget, but to the extent Fedor is fighting, and people are made aware of who he is, and are aware of the date, I think he can attract both viewers and sponsors.
Well for me it is. I care way more about who is fighting then whether or not it's a UFC card. Meaning I'd watch Lesnar vs Carwin on any MMA show before just watching a random UFC card containing a bunch of fighters I don't know. Now if you're point would have been that the fact we even know about these two fighters is because of the UFC, then you'd be on to something. Put it another way, if Fedor and Lesnar were going to fight, would you really care who was promoting it? If it was a Strikeforce card are you telling me you wouldn't watch it? Also keep in mind if it was co-promoted, perhaps the UFC would have to share revenues, but the revenue pie would be gigantic, so 100% of a small pie, isn't always better than 50% of a huge pie.
What do you think the guys on The undercards of boxing cards make? I guarantee there all not getting huge money. I would like to know the exact numbers .
Being a boxing site the UFC will get extra hate on here but in general bitching is the norm around here. People ***** no matter what and that's the truth especially if the UFC gives them a reason it's like vultures on a carcus.
