UFC losing grasp on Heavies....

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  1. BewareofDawg

    BewareofDawg P4P Champ Full Member

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    What is the UFC doing wrong with the Heavyweights? Have they basically just given up on this division? It seems if they banged their heads together they could do a helluva lot better, being that their Lt Heavy, WW and Lightweight divisions are kicking ass. Just think about this for a moment

    Fedor refused to come
    Couture walked away
    Sylvia is possibly not resigning
    Arlovski is likely to walk away
    Hunt just signed with Pro Wrestling
    Barnett hasn't been drawn in yet

    They have
    Nog
    Crocop - who has lost his last 2
    Vera - who I like, but even he has had problems with them in the past
    Mir - Would be destroyed by any top Heavy
    Lesnar - needs work

    And then some others

    Could you imagine the most talented and most marketable WWs all leaving or signing elsewhere...I can't. I know the Heavyweights aren't the deepest in talent, but there are alot of interesting fights and fighters out there. Whats up UFC?
     
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  2. Donut62

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    The UFC Heavyweight division has been a broken piece of **** since the mid 90's. I think any hope we had that them acquiring Pride might finally fix this has evaporated with their seemingly failure prone negotiating tactics with fighter contracts.
     
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  3. dwilson

    dwilson Guest

    Who do you guys hope they bring in apart from the usual talked about guys?
     
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  4. Donut62

    Donut62 Active Member Full Member

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    Goddamn what a mess when I think about it:

    Mark Coleman
    Maurice Smith (kills mark coleman)
    Randy Couture (is stripped of title after a contract dispute)
    Bas Rutten (beats Kevin Randleman in bull**** decision, then quits the UFC)
    Kevin Randleman
    Randy Couture
    Josh Barnett (fails drug test, quits the UFC)
    Ricco Rodriguez
    Tim Sylvia (fails drug test, gives up belt)
    Frank Mir (almost kills self on motorcycle and gives up belt)
    Andrei Arlovski
    Tim Sylvia
    Randy Couture (belt is going to be stripped for contract dispute)
    Nog (beats guy who isn't the champion, yet becomes champion)


    Am I missing anyone?
     
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  5. WiDDoW_MaKeR

    WiDDoW_MaKeR ESB Hall of Fame Member Full Member

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    I agree. That division has had some serious stability problems.:lol: However, I really don't think that Smith killed Coleman. I actually thought that Coleman dominated most of the match, and used to hate that "overtime" rule they used to have.
     
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  6. Tko4

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    Don't forget Jake O'Brien and Eddie Sanchez! :rofl
     
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  7. BewareofDawg

    BewareofDawg P4P Champ Full Member

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    Take Colemans dick out of your mouth :lol:
     
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  8. BewareofDawg

    BewareofDawg P4P Champ Full Member

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    You laugh but O'brien did beat Herring, which isn't a bad win.
     
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  9. WiDDoW_MaKeR

    WiDDoW_MaKeR ESB Hall of Fame Member Full Member

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    Imagine if he beats AA.:admin
     
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  10. BewareofDawg

    BewareofDawg P4P Champ Full Member

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    I considerred that. I really don't know how good his sub defense is or how good Arlovskis subs are at this point. I know AA has a good Sambo background but I haven't seen it come off in MMA too much. So if Obrien can take him down who knows, he might be able to control him to a decision ala Herring. Arlovski is tough to take down, he's strong and agile and has great striking so the smart money is on this staying a kickboxing match and Arlovski winning.
     
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  11. Donut62

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    No, you are right, I was thinking of Pete Williams kicking him in the face for some reason.
     
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  12. WiDDoW_MaKeR

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    Yea that was brutal. Coleman had just beat the living **** out him for the entire fight... another overtime defeat. Overtime's weren't good to Coleman.:lol:
     
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  13. concrete sledge

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    I'm anxious to see if Kongo gets a title shot after Crazyhorse. If he improves his ground game, he could be dangerous. His standup is pretty exciting.
     
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  14. Beebs

    Beebs Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I wouldn't bet against it. O'brien is no joke.

    If I had to pick one to save my life it would be Arlovski, but I wouldn't voluntarily wager on it.

    As for the original post, Syvlia shows no sign of leaving, and Arlovski isn't gone yet.
     
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  15. hitman6616

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    lets just all put our chips in St.Piere(or however you spell his name)

    and do what most of us have done with boxing...(forget about heavyweights):deal
     
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