UFC's Top 8 Heavies vs StirkeForce's Top 8 Head to Head

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  1. achillesthegreat

    achillesthegreat FORTUNE FAVOURS THE BRAVE Full Member

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    Even when Reem faced Serge, you can see he is much smaller and simply not as complete a striker. His growth (hormones) has seen to it that he has much more staying power, is physically much stronger and hits incredibly hard. In addition to that, his striking has become much better. The way he tucks up behind guard, measure his distance, times his shots, counters, finishes etc has all improved.

    Reem is not unbeatable but he is on a ****ing hot run.

    Its hard to say who will the trilogy between him and serge because serge has this laid back style where he can be dangerous because he doesn't seem to be in a rush i.e. Reem II and Arlovski.

    Reem vs Werdum should be a great measuring stick. Him winning the K1 shows that as a striker he has improved an incredible amount. As a mixed martial artist, it looks the case but the competition is comparable and ultimately...

    ...opinions are like arseholes!
     
  2. rekcutnevets

    rekcutnevets Black Sash Full Member

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    Beside Cain, Carwin, or Lesnar; who do you have beating him from the UFC?
     
  3. WiDDoW_MaKeR

    WiDDoW_MaKeR ESB Hall of Fame Member Full Member

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    Nobody is unbeatable. However, at least Cain has yet to be beat. I'm sure that won't last forever, either. Overeem has been beat against ALL of the best fighters that he fought. Yet, somehow...just because he roided up... and went on run against a bunch of sub-par comp... he's just unbeatable now. At least let him win the GP before he gets this label. He shouldn't even at that point... but at least you would have something to back it up with.
     
  4. rekcutnevets

    rekcutnevets Black Sash Full Member

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    Another empty post. Who do you have beating him, and why?
     
  5. Dustaine

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    I could care less where your name appears, to say a man who has only beaten Congo and Nogueira (Lesnar is ****) would all those guys is ludicrous.
     
  6. rusty nails

    rusty nails Tszyu for PM!! Full Member

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    not beaten.... annihilated.
     
  7. Will Cooling

    Will Cooling Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He hardly annihlated Kongo.
     
  8. Dustaine

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    But he annihilated Lesnar, and, as we all know, Lesnar is the best ever, you know, the GOAT. :D
     
  9. rekcutnevets

    rekcutnevets Black Sash Full Member

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    You mention Kongo and Nogueira as notable wins, but dismiss Lesnar. Saying Lesnar got a fast pass to the top is one thing. Acting like beating Lesnar means nothing is just stupid.

    Lesnar beat Herring. Herring was coming off a win over Kongo. That at least makes Herring as relevant as Kongo. Nogueira lost to Mir. Lesnar beat Mir as well. So Lesnar can defeat the fighters that defeated Kongo and Nogueira, but Lesnar is less relevant than Kongo and Nogueira? That is ludicrous.
     
  10. rekcutnevets

    rekcutnevets Black Sash Full Member

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    If StrikeForce announces a grand prix for any of those other weight classes, and posters on here start posting threads on how StrikeForce has the superior fighters; making a thread similar to this would make sense.
     
  11. Dustaine

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    Wow, a variation the "if I beat you and you beat him, then I beat you too" stuff. Where did you say your name was?
     
  12. rekcutnevets

    rekcutnevets Black Sash Full Member

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    Wow, another stupid post by Dustaine. There is still no argument, and still no substance. Where, in my quoted post, does it say that a fighter that beats one fighter automatically beats another? That is more of a head to head type scenario. I would take Lesnar over Kongo, but I would take Nog over Lesnar. That is not relevant.

    You stupidly said that Lesnar is ****. Then, to prove the stupidity of your post, you mention two fighters that lost to two of Lesnar's recent opponents as being Velasquez' best wins.
     
  13. EL BULLY

    EL BULLY Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Kharitonov by weathering the early rounds and Reem gassing is just one.
     
  14. slugger3000

    slugger3000 You Mad Bro? Full Member

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    Overeem vs. cain... That fight would get me excited!!
     
  15. Primenal

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    Out of those I think the only one who'd have a shot in hell would be Cain. Lesnar just couldn't stand with the guy, and I honestly don't think he is that good on the ground (as Cain showed, and old man Couture showed that Lesnar's wrestling isn't that great either). Carwin would stand a punchers chance against anybody, but would gas to easily.
    SF heavies fair much better against somebody like Overeem than UFC heavies. SF heavies (or should I say SUPER heavies) are actually in good shape, and tecnically pretty good. UFC heavier (super heavies) are just simply big. There smaller guys seem to be the better breed, but I'm sceptical they could actually handle a big man who could take a punch and has some endurance. JDS couldn't take out Roy Nelson for instance...