Ultimate record; most proven fighter

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  1. Manassa

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    I've said Archie Moore before and I'm sticking with him. However, there are some major contenders who are pretty much inseparable from him; Sam Langford, Sammy Angott, Maxie Rosenbloom, Harry Greb... Mickey Walker & Ray Robinson would probably be a slight step below, and slightly below those two would be Roberto Duran, Henry Armstrong and Emile Griffith.

    Moore's record looks like this:

    Muhammad Ali
    Rocky Marciano
    Floyd Patterson
    Ezzard Charles x3
    Harold Johnson x5
    Willie Pastrano
    Jimmy Bivins x5
    Charley Burley
    Carl Olson
    Teddy Yarosz

    That's just the Hall of Famers, not mentioning the rest of the murderer's row (term used loosely); Lloyd Marshall, Eddie Booker, Shorty Hogue, Aaron Wade, Bert Lytell, Jack Chase, and numerous other feared contenders such as Bob Satterfield, Clarence Henry and Nino Valdes.

    But yeah, there are a few contenders. If anyone wants to put forth another fighter's record, try to keep it in the same format, listing Hall of Famers and the number of times said fighter fought them, and then list honourable mentions afterwards. Makes it easier to compare.

    If you need to find out if a fighter is in the Hall of Fame, just google his name followed by 'ibhof' and it should come up. For instance 'Jimmy Slattery IBHOF.'
     
  2. McGrain

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    I'm not doing that list thing but it's McLarnin and Greb.
     
  3. Sweet Pea

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    I'd have to say McLarnin as well. Those wins over LaBarba seal the deal.
     
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  5. Manassa

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    I did forget about McLarnin actually. I think he crammed in the best opposition for the number of fights he had, but there are fighters who were more proven just through facing better boxers overall because of a longer career or more bouts. Sammy Angott, for instance:

    Ike Williams x3
    Beau Jack x2
    Ray Robinson x3
    Henry Armstrong
    Willie Pep
    Bob Montgomery x3
    Baby Arizmendi x2
    Freddie Miller
    Lew Jenkins
    Fritzie Zivic

    That's just Hall of Famers. Three times against a prime Ray Robinson is enough on its own.
     
  6. Sweet Pea

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    So we're not talking strictly wins? Either way, Lou Ambers is up there.
     
  7. WhataRock

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    :lol:
     
  8. klompton

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    Greb is head and shoulders above Moore IMO
     
  9. Manassa

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    Nope. Ezzard Charles might be my pick for that, either him or Greb.
     
  10. Manassa

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    How? Love to hear this one. We aren't talking about just wins, remember, just 'opponents faced.'
     
  11. OLD FOGEY

    OLD FOGEY Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If you mean the man who fought the most champions and contenders, the true answer is Maxie Rosenbloom. Hhascup has fed all the info into a computer. He posted a while back that he didn't believe what he saw, as Rosenbloom was far ahead, and so checked by hand and found it was indeed true.
     
  12. mr. magoo

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    What do you guys think of Brian Neilson?
     
  13. Manassa

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    Not necessarily numerically, although that does help. But someone who faced twenty decent champions might not be as 'proven' as some who faced ten great champions. On that count, Moore's my #1, but perhaps Angott...
     
  14. Manassa

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    Do you always have to be a sarcastic ****?
     
  15. mr. magoo

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    Only on the threads that you create Manassa :good